Thanks for the attachment, Neil. I found some other material from him, but
not this about his work. That Lewis Carroll quote is one of me favorites.
We can be trained to see or not see what is in front of us, especially in
the workplace. A sense of survival and need for an income may make honing
that quickly imperative. I see it at work all the time as the real
unemployment figures in Detroit are dismal.
I found the material around the Castoriadian notion of the individuals's
"radical imagination" most fascinating although most of the material I
found concerned the formation of consensus reality. "If, in its first
aspect ('perceptual', geared to the 'outside'), the radical imagination
creates a 'generic' own [or proper] world for the singular human being, a
world sufficiently shared with the other members of the human species, in
its second, fully psychical, aspect it creates a singular proper world. The
importance of this could not be exaggerated. It is this 'inside' which
conditions and makes possible, first, a 'distanciation' relative to the
world considered as simply 'given', and, second, an active and acting
Einstellung, position and disposition, towards the world. Representation,
affect, and intention are at the same time principles of the formation of
the proper world - even maten"aliter spectati - and principles of
distanciation from it and action upon it." I think he has the first and
second backwards, but who am I to quibble. It is pretty close to
imagination being Lord in that it makes manifest human experience.
On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> Some years ago, I wandered round a couple of factories with a graduate
> student. She was looking for 'data' on the imagination in risk management.
> She found transubstantiation and she found Ricoeur (1994: 126) when he
> cogently argues that imagination provides the “luminous clearing in which
> we can compare and contrast motives as different as desires and ethical
> demands, which in turn can range from professional rules to social customs
> or to strictly personal values”. Having little imagination she could not
> work out the management of both factories has lied to her extensively and
> both were death traps. Risk management had become a means of not being
> blamed after any disaster. Wordiness had not made this girl see what was
> in front of her nose.
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 10:54:29 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> …how old are you?' [White Queen]
>> 'I’m seven and a half, exactly.'
>> 'You needn’t say "exactly",' the Queen remarked. 'I can believe it
>> without that. Now I’ll give you something to believe. I’m just one hundred
>> and one, five months and a day.'
>> 'I can’t believe that!' said Alice. 'Can’t you?' the Queen said in a
>> pitying tone. 'Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.' Alice
>> laughed. 'There’s no use trying,' she said 'one can’t believe impossible
>> things.'
>> 'I daresay you haven’t had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was
>> your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve
>> believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
>>
>> In here, we can't even stir an American to imagine herself a Soviet
>> apparatchik.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 7:49:43 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> Castoriadis, C. (2007). Figures of the thinkable. Stanford, CA: Stanford
>>> University Press.
>>> I've attached a copy of the file I was reading and did some cut and
>>> paste from.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 2:21:25 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the 2007 Castoriadis reference, Neil. I would like to look it
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no desiring without imagination. (Aristotle, De Anima, 433b
>>>>> p. 29)
>>>>> I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the Heart’s affections and
>>>>> the truth of the Imagination. (John Keats, Letter to Benjamin Bailey, 22
>>>>> November 1817)
>>>>> Why could we not start by positing a dream, a poem, a symphony as
>>>>> paradigmatic of the fullness of being and by seeing in the physical world
>>>>> a
>>>>> different mode of being, instead of looking at things the other way
>>>>> round,
>>>>> instead of seeing in the imaginary – that is, human – mode of existence,
>>>>> a
>>>>> deficient or secondary mode of being? (Cornelius Castoriadis, The
>>>>> Imaginary
>>>>> Institution of Society, 1987, p. 5)
>>>>>
>>>>> In Castoriadis’s own words: ‘what makes a word what it is,
>>>>> meaning-wise, is its overtones, its resonances and
>>>>> consonances’ (Castoriadis, 2007, p. 43). He offers a very illustrative
>>>>> example of the creative potentiality
>>>>> of such melodic overtones in his analysis of Shakespearean texts and
>>>>> the poetry of Rilke:
>>>>> The melody of the meaning is the horizontal relation between the
>>>>> meanings and the intensity of the
>>>>> particular words in their succession, which already in itself contains
>>>>> a harmonic component. For, just as,
>>>>> when one hears the end of a melody, its musical substance includes
>>>>> what preceded it, so the deployment of
>>>>> the meaning in a poetic phrase, which constitutes in itself a temporal
>>>>> form, culminates in a term that is
>>>>> what it is only as a function of everything that came beforehand. The
>>>>> harmony of the meaning seems to be,
>>>>> strictly speaking, an illogical expression, since harmony is the
>>>>> consonance of several voices and because
>>>>> the poem – more generally, a linguistic expression – seems monodic.
>>>>> But there is harmony because there
>>>>> are harmonics of the words’ significations…
>>>>> And continues:
>>>>> [harmony is] certainly inseparable from the listener, from the
>>>>> concrete audience, but this is also and
>>>>> especially ‘impersonally’ deposited in language. A word can function
>>>>> in language only by means of these
>>>>> indefinite referrals, each one of which engages and sets in motion
>>>>> other referrals. The harmonic richness
>>>>> of a line is made from the richness of the referrals of the words that
>>>>> compose it. (Castoriadis, 2007, p. 71)
>>>>>
>>>>> The metaphorical force of ‘narrowly imagined’ concepts such as that
>>>>> of ‘growth’ in economics, regarding our ability to break with established
>>>>> political economy frames. Lakoff (2010), a cognitive linguist, argues
>>>>> that
>>>>> a real break with those frames can only exist in the employment of a
>>>>> radically different metaphorical frame that goes beyond negation
>>>>> (evidenced
>>>>> in anti-growth policies) or appropriation (as is often the case in green
>>>>> growth), but rather posits entirely new concepts for guiding policy, such
>>>>> as that of well-being.
>>>>>
>>>>> Organizations are imagined not merely in the sense that what shapes
>>>>> them is ‘known but cannot be told’ (Castoriadis, 1987, p. 43) or ‘be made
>>>>> explicit’, but that what is known is actually and continuously
>>>>> represented,
>>>>> signified and affected by those making up the organization. Some of these
>>>>> representations/significations/affects are indeed explicit and may
>>>>> include
>>>>> scientific data and mathematical figures. Yet it is not our inability to
>>>>> ‘translate’ that stifles creative imagination in practice, but a failure
>>>>> of
>>>>> individuals, organizations and societies to lucidly recognize their
>>>>> ownership of those figures/meanings/ emotions. This radical position is
>>>>> at
>>>>> the heart of the Castoriadian notion of imagination: creativity is
>>>>> already
>>>>> there, albeit hand in hand with the obfuscation that prevents its lucid
>>>>> recognition in the psyche and society. It also enables us to re-signify
>>>>> and
>>>>> reimagine organizations and organizing differently, suggesting that
>>>>> critique is not all we have in dealing with these limits. Through the
>>>>> Castoriadian ontology we are better able to imagine the form that such
>>>>> reconfigurations might take in organizing, not simply as a challenge of
>>>>> instituted (individualized, ‘psychologized’, or rationalized) reality,
>>>>> but
>>>>> moreover as active carriers of new legitimacies, creating organizational
>>>>> contexts that ‘search for their own foundations’
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew this Greek guy and he played a mean piano.
>>>>> Castoriadis, C. (1987). The imaginary institution of society.
>>>>> Cambridge: Polity.
>>>>> Lakoff, G. (2010). Why it matters how we frame the environment.
>>>>> Environmental Communication, 4(1), 70–81.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not everything that comes out of the imagination is good. Most can't
>>>>> even do critique (imagining it negative) let alone get to 'imagine that'
>>>>> on
>>>>> how a new scenario might work. Science has been working for a couple of
>>>>> centuries by excluding dull idiots like the worst religionists and
>>>>> politicians from the laboratory. Getting people out of the way to
>>>>> progress
>>>>> society in general is tougher. Give them the chance to choose between
>>>>> Democrat and GOP and they imagine they are free. Ho, ho ho ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:43:29 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of books about on more imaginative approaches. This
>>>>>> is typical:
>>>>>> Releasing the Imagination: Essays on Education, the Arts, and Social
>>>>>> Change. The Jossey-Bass Education Series.
>>>>>> Greene, Maxine
>>>>>> The essays in this book are the author's attempt to connect her own
>>>>>> seeking with the strivings of other teachers and teacher educators who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> tired of a self-centered, technocratic existence and who want to enhance
>>>>>> their understanding of diversity. The essays concentrate on imagination
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a means through which to assemble a coherent world, because imagination
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> what makes empathy possible and what allows people to enter others'
>>>>>> worlds
>>>>>> (e.g., through poetry or music). Moving from an account of school
>>>>>> restructuring to a rendering of the shapes of literacy, the book
>>>>>> examines
>>>>>> the processes of human questioning and resistance to meaninglessness.
>>>>>> Part
>>>>>> 1, "Creating Possibilities," includes: (1) "Seeking Contexts"; (2)
>>>>>> "Imagination, Breakthroughs, and the Unexpected"; (3) "Imagination,
>>>>>> Community, and the School"; (4) "Discovering a Pedagogy"; (5) "Social
>>>>>> Vision and the Dance of Life"; and (6) "The Shapes of Childhood
>>>>>> Recalled."
>>>>>> Part 2, "Illuminations and Epiphanies," includes: (7) "The Continuing
>>>>>> Search for Curriculum"; (8) "Writing To Learn"; (9) "Teaching for
>>>>>> Openings"; (10) "Art and Imagination"; and (11) "Texts and Margins."
>>>>>> Part
>>>>>> 3, "Community in the Making," includes: (12) "The Passions of
>>>>>> Pluralism";
>>>>>> (13) "Standards, Common Learnings, and Diversity"; and (14) "Multiple
>>>>>> Voices and Multiple Realities." (SM)
>>>>>> No doubt I should be ashamed to know even this a a scientist. A mug
>>>>>> like me just looks for the on and off switches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:27:08 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that is what they are reporting/promoting everything is
>>>>>>> going via wire..
>>>>>>> What i don't like is the lack of creative programers capitable of
>>>>>>> truly creative programing.. most of them are not much more than line
>>>>>>> fillers ,, filling in only segments. . Creative but not very original.
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Creativity is extremely difficult. .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The eco advantages for the environment are great.. with advances in
>>>>>>> airship technology will be of great advantages especially in fuel
>>>>>>> economy
>>>>>>> .. the elite of the world are recklessly using resources to the
>>>>>>> detriment
>>>>>>> of the rest of the world.. internet can become a world saver..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 6:09 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Failing eyesight makes the zoom feature a blessing. I now prefer
>>>>>>> electronic text to paper. Pity electronic speech is so dire and
>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>> to speed read with (some blind colleagues have got used to listening at
>>>>>>> speeds I can't).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish Molly was right on the move to something more spiritual, but
>>>>>>> research suggests a big physical element in electronic receptions. I'm
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> sure the imagination button is switched on n most people, and soon we
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> have products for all kinds of physical simulation to go with the
>>>>>>> mobile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:50:27 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you. Sleep allows the brain to reset. . My episodes are
>>>>>>>> always early morning. . 5 - 7 am. Figures other than to me they are
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> boring. .
>>>>>>>> As it is adult onset.. i am wondering if my smart phones ae part
>>>>>>>> of the problem.
>>>>>>>> If i really want to read a document i prefer a combo of paper /
>>>>>>>> electronic..
>>>>>>>> I like human content. . My preference a cuppa coffee / tea sitting
>>>>>>>> around a table talking with friends. . The Internet will do. And is
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>> for long distances.. and is convenient as you can answer when up.. i
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> turn my phone to airplane mode while sleeping.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do think the internet is slowly down the ability to think.. to
>>>>>>>> much us being passed off as truth when in reality it is a lot of cut
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> paste .. i am left wondering if the are not basting a idea from a bad
>>>>>>>> recipe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BOO...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 9:06 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big hug across the divide to you, Allan. Speedy recovery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 5:56:42 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The older i get the longer it takes to recover. And they run in
>>>>>>>>> cycles. . Unfortunately medication is only sliwing them and cutting
>>>>>>>>> severity.
>>>>>>>>> But that is better than raw..
>>>>>>>>> The poery is only madness running thu my head hooe it is not to
>>>>>>>>> crazy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:48 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A head full of soap opera, nightmare indeed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:45:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a dislike for episodes. . One thing is they are not gòd
>>>>>>>>>> for clarity of thought.. but one good thing it was lite. Problem
>>>>>>>>>> is I
>>>>>>>>>> have been having them for msy many years even befor I came to
>>>>>>>>>> Europe.. i
>>>>>>>>>> always thought of them as severe nightmares.
>>>>>>>>>> It is good to know . . . I think..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 4:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Despite imagination Allan, I have never been able to regard
>>>>>>>>>> meeting a bloke as a date. The way round this seems to be not dating
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> order to be gender balanced. Never liked the performances anyway.
>>>>>>>>>> Tired
>>>>>>>>>> today, i that 'after 'flu' way. Looking forward to dog walk being
>>>>>>>>>> less of
>>>>>>>>>> a trudge and no throbbing pains in my left eye and head.
>>>>>>>>>> Instructions to
>>>>>>>>>> buy Ginger Wine for hot toddies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree all that Molly and it all expands into several books -
>>>>>>>>>> though really one can only create the conditions for a trail every
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> often. This would be worth talking through, though most spirits are
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> weak to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll try again if Max leaves me any energy and the toddies don't
>>>>>>>>>> get too overwhelming. May just let them. Much of what needs saying
>>>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>>>> in the public domain, which is odd given how easy much of it is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 April 2015 12:33:14 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will take my carbon dating as a compliment as I think the age
>>>>>>>>>>> of reason our downfall. We only seemed to have an inkling about how
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> extension through technology would bring us back through it where
>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable paradigms don't work for us, and as close as we can get
>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>> working model is again mystic. Not to say reason is thrown aside.
>>>>>>>>>>> It must
>>>>>>>>>>> be integrated and given its mechanical function so we can move into
>>>>>>>>>>> something greater, having been hijacked for too long and used in
>>>>>>>>>>> the power
>>>>>>>>>>> and control games. We are more than mental, but are beaten with it
>>>>>>>>>>> until we
>>>>>>>>>>> give it all up to merely survive, our self image blown to
>>>>>>>>>>> smithereens
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For too long, no one recognized the magician of the beautiful,
>>>>>>>>>>> those that move naturally and leave beauty in their wake. We've
>>>>>>>>>>> lost our
>>>>>>>>>>> ability to recognize beauty, having been drenched in mundane by
>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorating culture and technology. But something has come of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>> there are those among us that move in action of the divine
>>>>>>>>>>> principle
>>>>>>>>>>> within, and those among us that can recognize the beauty that
>>>>>>>>>>> surrounds
>>>>>>>>>>> them and envelops us. If we can let go of the need to know why, and
>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>> along in this action, we can be taken where paradigms are no longer
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary. I am not sure if a group can be carried along, or if we,
>>>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>>> in action of the divine principle within, move with the world as it
>>>>>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>>>>>> perfection, accepting the imperfection as inherent to the divine
>>>>>>>>>>> principle,
>>>>>>>>>>> knowing the imperfection is changing into perfection through the
>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe its always been like this. Maybe it always will be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:52:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a nice afternoon. Turned a bar in Manchester into an
>>>>>>>>>>>> old-style tavern with folk singing and a free barrel of Old
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peculiar. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> themes were about returning to Greek and Medieval notions of
>>>>>>>>>>>> rationality,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which have long struck me as in need of a few beers to get into.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Debate
>>>>>>>>>>>> went so well I hardly needed to say anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Greeks were all over the place around the relevant time, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Italy and around the Med. This was the time of the of what Hans
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joas
>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbed "cosmic religion" of late Antiquity, a fusion of Greek
>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological
>>>>>>>>>>>> speculation. Babylonian astrology, Egyptian theology, Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought and
>>>>>>>>>>>> popular magic. There were many attempts to translate this into
>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutions. Most of this was put to the Roman sword, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> intellectuals
>>>>>>>>>>>> became mystic, aspiring to find new ways to transcend earthly
>>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely, rising through planetary spheres, purging themselves of
>>>>>>>>>>>> materiality to pure reason - that human reason that is simply the
>>>>>>>>>>>> action of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a divine principle within us. Rationality here becomes beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>> spiritual to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the mystical achievement of union with he divine. In the absence
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Molly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we did the internal warming of Old Peculiar and some Lancashire
>>>>>>>>>>>> Folk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So why look to the past like this? The simple answer is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> our present is still full of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The second area we looked at once the beer was going down was
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Medieval. You need to be half-cut to take what went on then.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the strongest features of this time concerns just how humans
>>>>>>>>>>>> consider
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves superior and different to animals. We are still taught
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> crap as kids - 'it's rationality stupid'. Cue some cute pictures
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> animals problem solving and being very rational (lions hunting at
>>>>>>>>>>>> night is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a real killer). And a run out for Allan's soul, with a slight
>>>>>>>>>>>> twist. What
>>>>>>>>>>>> separates humans and animals is that humans can imagine they
>>>>>>>>>>>> possess an
>>>>>>>>>>>> immortal soul. If the soul is the seat of reason, to say humans
>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
>>>>>>>>>>>> possession of one is to say we are rational creatures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need the top shelf now, as these forms of religiosity are
>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of bureaucracy and rationality. Descartes becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>> spiritual and
>>>>>>>>>>>> mystic. The question, of course, is whether we can escape. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>>>>> holiday here on Friday. This brings discussion of the archaeology
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> "heroic societies" other than just the Attic tragedy kind, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> engines of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the self-aggrandising story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the end (people fly home Tuesday) we hope to be able to talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> new economic, perhaps find some partnerships to write something
>>>>>>>>>>>> different -
>>>>>>>>>>>> or not write and think of different things to do. After a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>> of pints,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was imagining dating Molly and Allan in about 500 BC to 1500 AD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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