What is the 2007 Castoriadis reference, Neil. I would like to look it up. On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > There is no desiring without imagination. (Aristotle, De Anima, 433b p. 29) > I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the Heart’s affections and the > truth of the Imagination. (John Keats, Letter to Benjamin Bailey, 22 > November 1817) > Why could we not start by positing a dream, a poem, a symphony as > paradigmatic of the fullness of being and by seeing in the physical world a > different mode of being, instead of looking at things the other way round, > instead of seeing in the imaginary – that is, human – mode of existence, a > deficient or secondary mode of being? (Cornelius Castoriadis, The Imaginary > Institution of Society, 1987, p. 5) > > In Castoriadis’s own words: ‘what makes a word what it is, meaning-wise, > is its overtones, its resonances and > consonances’ (Castoriadis, 2007, p. 43). He offers a very illustrative > example of the creative potentiality > of such melodic overtones in his analysis of Shakespearean texts and the > poetry of Rilke: > The melody of the meaning is the horizontal relation between the meanings > and the intensity of the > particular words in their succession, which already in itself contains a > harmonic component. For, just as, > when one hears the end of a melody, its musical substance includes what > preceded it, so the deployment of > the meaning in a poetic phrase, which constitutes in itself a temporal > form, culminates in a term that is > what it is only as a function of everything that came beforehand. The > harmony of the meaning seems to be, > strictly speaking, an illogical expression, since harmony is the > consonance of several voices and because > the poem – more generally, a linguistic expression – seems monodic. But > there is harmony because there > are harmonics of the words’ significations… > And continues: > [harmony is] certainly inseparable from the listener, from the concrete > audience, but this is also and > especially ‘impersonally’ deposited in language. A word can function in > language only by means of these > indefinite referrals, each one of which engages and sets in motion other > referrals. The harmonic richness > of a line is made from the richness of the referrals of the words that > compose it. (Castoriadis, 2007, p. 71) > > The metaphorical force of ‘narrowly imagined’ concepts such as that of > ‘growth’ in economics, regarding our ability to break with established > political economy frames. Lakoff (2010), a cognitive linguist, argues that > a real break with those frames can only exist in the employment of a > radically different metaphorical frame that goes beyond negation (evidenced > in anti-growth policies) or appropriation (as is often the case in green > growth), but rather posits entirely new concepts for guiding policy, such > as that of well-being. > > Organizations are imagined not merely in the sense that what shapes them > is ‘known but cannot be told’ (Castoriadis, 1987, p. 43) or ‘be made > explicit’, but that what is known is actually and continuously represented, > signified and affected by those making up the organization. Some of these > representations/significations/affects are indeed explicit and may include > scientific data and mathematical figures. Yet it is not our inability to > ‘translate’ that stifles creative imagination in practice, but a failure of > individuals, organizations and societies to lucidly recognize their > ownership of those figures/meanings/ emotions. This radical position is at > the heart of the Castoriadian notion of imagination: creativity is already > there, albeit hand in hand with the obfuscation that prevents its lucid > recognition in the psyche and society. It also enables us to re-signify and > reimagine organizations and organizing differently, suggesting that > critique is not all we have in dealing with these limits. Through the > Castoriadian ontology we are better able to imagine the form that such > reconfigurations might take in organizing, not simply as a challenge of > instituted (individualized, ‘psychologized’, or rationalized) reality, but > moreover as active carriers of new legitimacies, creating organizational > contexts that ‘search for their own foundations’ > > I knew this Greek guy and he played a mean piano. > Castoriadis, C. (1987). The imaginary institution of society. Cambridge: > Polity. > Lakoff, G. (2010). Why it matters how we frame the environment. > Environmental Communication, 4(1), 70–81. > > Not everything that comes out of the imagination is good. Most can't even > do critique (imagining it negative) let alone get to 'imagine that' on how > a new scenario might work. Science has been working for a couple of > centuries by excluding dull idiots like the worst religionists and > politicians from the laboratory. Getting people out of the way to progress > society in general is tougher. Give them the chance to choose between > Democrat and GOP and they imagine they are free. Ho, ho ho ... > > On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:43:29 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> There are a lot of books about on more imaginative approaches. This is >> typical: >> Releasing the Imagination: Essays on Education, the Arts, and Social >> Change. The Jossey-Bass Education Series. >> Greene, Maxine >> The essays in this book are the author's attempt to connect her own >> seeking with the strivings of other teachers and teacher educators who are >> tired of a self-centered, technocratic existence and who want to enhance >> their understanding of diversity. The essays concentrate on imagination as >> a means through which to assemble a coherent world, because imagination is >> what makes empathy possible and what allows people to enter others' worlds >> (e.g., through poetry or music). Moving from an account of school >> restructuring to a rendering of the shapes of literacy, the book examines >> the processes of human questioning and resistance to meaninglessness. Part >> 1, "Creating Possibilities," includes: (1) "Seeking Contexts"; (2) >> "Imagination, Breakthroughs, and the Unexpected"; (3) "Imagination, >> Community, and the School"; (4) "Discovering a Pedagogy"; (5) "Social >> Vision and the Dance of Life"; and (6) "The Shapes of Childhood Recalled." >> Part 2, "Illuminations and Epiphanies," includes: (7) "The Continuing >> Search for Curriculum"; (8) "Writing To Learn"; (9) "Teaching for >> Openings"; (10) "Art and Imagination"; and (11) "Texts and Margins." Part >> 3, "Community in the Making," includes: (12) "The Passions of Pluralism"; >> (13) "Standards, Common Learnings, and Diversity"; and (14) "Multiple >> Voices and Multiple Realities." (SM) >> No doubt I should be ashamed to know even this a a scientist. A mug like >> me just looks for the on and off switches. >> >> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:27:08 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> I think that is what they are reporting/promoting everything is going >>> via wire.. >>> What i don't like is the lack of creative programers capitable of truly >>> creative programing.. most of them are not much more than line fillers ,, >>> filling in only segments. . Creative but not very original. . Creativity is >>> extremely difficult. . >>> >>> The eco advantages for the environment are great.. with advances in >>> airship technology will be of great advantages especially in fuel economy >>> .. the elite of the world are recklessly using resources to the detriment >>> of the rest of the world.. internet can become a world saver.. >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 6:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That >>> >>> Failing eyesight makes the zoom feature a blessing. I now prefer >>> electronic text to paper. Pity electronic speech is so dire and difficult >>> to speed read with (some blind colleagues have got used to listening at >>> speeds I can't). >>> >>> I wish Molly was right on the move to something more spiritual, but >>> research suggests a big physical element in electronic receptions. I'm not >>> sure the imagination button is switched on n most people, and soon we will >>> have products for all kinds of physical simulation to go with the mobile. >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:50:27 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you. Sleep allows the brain to reset. . My episodes are always >>>> early morning. . 5 - 7 am. Figures other than to me they are very boring. . >>>> As it is adult onset.. i am wondering if my smart phones ae part of >>>> the problem. >>>> If i really want to read a document i prefer a combo of paper / >>>> electronic.. >>>> I like human content. . My preference a cuppa coffee / tea sitting >>>> around a table talking with friends. . The Internet will do. And is nice >>>> for long distances.. and is convenient as you can answer when up.. i >>>> always >>>> turn my phone to airplane mode while sleeping. >>>> >>>> I do think the internet is slowly down the ability to think.. to much >>>> us being passed off as truth when in reality it is a lot of cut and paste >>>> .. i am left wondering if the are not basting a idea from a bad recipe. >>>> >>>> BOO... >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 9:06 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That >>>> >>>> Big hug across the divide to you, Allan. Speedy recovery. >>>> >>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 5:56:42 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The older i get the longer it takes to recover. And they run in >>>>> cycles. . Unfortunately medication is only sliwing them and cutting >>>>> severity. >>>>> But that is better than raw.. >>>>> The poery is only madness running thu my head hooe it is not to crazy >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:48 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That >>>>> >>>>> A head full of soap opera, nightmare indeed. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:45:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a dislike for episodes. . One thing is they are not gòd for >>>>>> clarity of thought.. but one good thing it was lite. Problem is I >>>>>> have >>>>>> been having them for msy many years even befor I came to Europe.. i >>>>>> always >>>>>> thought of them as severe nightmares. >>>>>> It is good to know . . . I think.. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 4:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That >>>>>> >>>>>> Despite imagination Allan, I have never been able to regard meeting a >>>>>> bloke as a date. The way round this seems to be not dating in order to >>>>>> be >>>>>> gender balanced. Never liked the performances anyway. Tired today, i >>>>>> that >>>>>> 'after 'flu' way. Looking forward to dog walk being less of a trudge >>>>>> and >>>>>> no throbbing pains in my left eye and head. Instructions to buy Ginger >>>>>> Wine for hot toddies. >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree all that Molly and it all expands into several books - though >>>>>> really one can only create the conditions for a trail every so often. >>>>>> This >>>>>> would be worth talking through, though most spirits are too weak to try. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll try again if Max leaves me any energy and the toddies don't get >>>>>> too overwhelming. May just let them. Much of what needs saying is not >>>>>> in >>>>>> the public domain, which is odd given how easy much of it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 3 April 2015 12:33:14 UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will take my carbon dating as a compliment as I think the age of >>>>>>> reason our downfall. We only seemed to have an inkling about how our >>>>>>> extension through technology would bring us back through it where >>>>>>> reasonable paradigms don't work for us, and as close as we can get to a >>>>>>> working model is again mystic. Not to say reason is thrown aside. It >>>>>>> must >>>>>>> be integrated and given its mechanical function so we can move into >>>>>>> something greater, having been hijacked for too long and used in the >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> and control games. We are more than mental, but are beaten with it >>>>>>> until we >>>>>>> give it all up to merely survive, our self image blown to smithereens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For too long, no one recognized the magician of the beautiful, those >>>>>>> that move naturally and leave beauty in their wake. We've lost our >>>>>>> ability >>>>>>> to recognize beauty, having been drenched in mundane by deteriorating >>>>>>> culture and technology. But something has come of it. And there are >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> among us that move in action of the divine principle within, and those >>>>>>> among us that can recognize the beauty that surrounds them and envelops >>>>>>> us. >>>>>>> If we can let go of the need to know why, and move along in this >>>>>>> action, we >>>>>>> can be taken where paradigms are no longer necessary. I am not sure if >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> group can be carried along, or if we, moving in action of the divine >>>>>>> principle within, move with the world as it is in perfection, accepting >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> imperfection as inherent to the divine principle, knowing the >>>>>>> imperfection >>>>>>> is changing into perfection through the action. Maybe its always been >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> this. Maybe it always will be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:52:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a nice afternoon. Turned a bar in Manchester into an >>>>>>>> old-style tavern with folk singing and a free barrel of Old Peculiar. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> themes were about returning to Greek and Medieval notions of >>>>>>>> rationality, >>>>>>>> which have long struck me as in need of a few beers to get into. >>>>>>>> Debate >>>>>>>> went so well I hardly needed to say anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Greeks were all over the place around the relevant time, in >>>>>>>> Italy and around the Med. This was the time of the of what Hans Joas >>>>>>>> dubbed "cosmic religion" of late Antiquity, a fusion of Greek >>>>>>>> cosmological >>>>>>>> speculation. Babylonian astrology, Egyptian theology, Jewish thought >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> popular magic. There were many attempts to translate this into >>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>> constitutions. Most of this was put to the Roman sword, and >>>>>>>> intellectuals >>>>>>>> became mystic, aspiring to find new ways to transcend earthly systems >>>>>>>> entirely, rising through planetary spheres, purging themselves of >>>>>>>> materiality to pure reason - that human reason that is simply the >>>>>>>> action of >>>>>>>> a divine principle within us. Rationality here becomes beyond >>>>>>>> spiritual to >>>>>>>> the mystical achievement of union with he divine. In the absence of >>>>>>>> Molly, >>>>>>>> we did the internal warming of Old Peculiar and some Lancashire Folk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So why look to the past like this? The simple answer is that our >>>>>>>> present is still full of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The second area we looked at once the beer was going down was the >>>>>>>> Medieval. You need to be half-cut to take what went on then. One of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> strongest features of this time concerns just how humans consider >>>>>>>> themselves superior and different to animals. We are still taught >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> crap as kids - 'it's rationality stupid'. Cue some cute pictures of >>>>>>>> animals problem solving and being very rational (lions hunting at >>>>>>>> night is >>>>>>>> a real killer). And a run out for Allan's soul, with a slight twist. >>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>> separates humans and animals is that humans can imagine they possess >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> immortal soul. If the soul is the seat of reason, to say humans are >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> possession of one is to say we are rational creatures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You need the top shelf now, as these forms of religiosity are the >>>>>>>> basis of bureaucracy and rationality. Descartes becomes spiritual and >>>>>>>> mystic. The question, of course, is whether we can escape. It's bank >>>>>>>> holiday here on Friday. This brings discussion of the archaeology of >>>>>>>> "heroic societies" other than just the Attic tragedy kind, as engines >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the self-aggrandising story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By the end (people fly home Tuesday) we hope to be able to talk new >>>>>>>> economic, perhaps find some partnerships to write something different >>>>>>>> - or >>>>>>>> not write and think of different things to do. After a couple of >>>>>>>> pints, I >>>>>>>> was imagining dating Molly and Allan in about 500 BC to 1500 AD. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>
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