I quite like seeing bad guys get it in the neck too. But I also go for turning over the Cartwrights when they get bumptious and some honesty about bureaucracies and reality. Joseph Wambaugh's stories straight to screen. We have 'Babylon' here. I think my point is why the propaganda is so bad. I can understand why we don't see ordinary crooks on television - they are too boring. But getting all your crime solved by a homosexual black pimp don't cut the mustard either.
Hilary is a work of art Don. Looks like Tony uses a full set of his paints on her face. One day the world will see a flash of copper pipe in what was assumed a neck muscle, and we'll know she is one of Facilitator's mobile sculptures. I understand he has made the whole Bush family now. I have a contract for the on board AI whoever wins. On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 12:03:21 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote: > > > the point I was trying to make but got distracted from is that we need > good propaganda. I want to see cop shows where the cops are good guys. I > want to see them win against the bad guys. It would be nice if the bad guys > were similar to the bad guys we face in real life. Terrorists and what not. > Always seems to be the Triads, Yakuza, The Russians(criminal gangs) and > even The Italians(mafia i guess). Hardly ever is it other governments and > if it is they get mad and hack the movie company's data base and embarrass > them and cost them money. I think Producers are actually afraid to "tell it > like it is." When they are notifying the State dept. for "advice" or > "permission" you know the democracy is over. HIllary is even on record > wanting to amend the 1st amendment to limit free speech. Apparently she > thinks you shouldn't be able to criticize her. I swear I am not making this > up. Campaign finance reform is designed to make it easier for incumbents to > win. Or those with the biggest name recognition. Imagine that. > > See, I got distracted again. I want good propaganda for your youngsters to > see the satisfaction of being a good cop and helping others and fighting > for truth, justice and the American Way. I don't want them to grow up jaded > fearing the police, holding politicians in contempt and avoiding any > attempt at success because they know in their hearts there's no point in it > the system is rigged. Which it is, unfortunately. It's still all about who > you know not what you know or how smart you are or even how hard you work. > If you don't know the right people, more precisely, if they don't know you, > you can't win. You impress people by being gregarious, fun loving and > positive. How can our kids be these things if they are constantly exposed > to "the truth?" I say shelter the shit out of them. Yes Johnny, there is a > Santa Clause. Now eat your Soylent Green and pass me that government > supplied and rationed rat poison we've been saving up for Auntie Gretchen's > passing party. We get a higher gov't stipend if she passes before the end > of the year! > > dj > > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:40:12 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> We don't get journalism anymore Don - they send peeps to journo schools >> to knock any of that shit right out of them. I have noticed wars are >> rarely between peoples, but families. When Harold took one in the eye, >> this was really just a family squabble amongst Norsemen - indeed the >> Normans were at more important work further south in 1066 (Italy). Various >> families were at war and one has to wonder who they are now. You Americans >> are very suspiciously German in my view. We Brits are only 30% Kraut and >> the US whites are more German than anything else. Maybe WW1 and 2 were >> just some kind of German family spat? Keiser Wilhelm would have been King >> of England in 1914 under current inheritance rules. Churchill was >> half-American and probably some kind of spy for the money operating from >> the USA. >> >> I don't trust any of it. But doubting is not enough and one has to >> suspect we've been really had at the level of some primitive guy chopping >> away at his own small bits on the basis of some menstrual fluid contact >> myth, wanting to bleed the problem away. All a bit like Molly giving up >> television really - there is nothing on Netflops and the rest either. I >> watch everything on illegal feed through software that blocks ads. I doubt >> there is two hours a month of television I want to watch unless Warrington >> are on a winning spree. Going 'Amish' via an art shed is tempting. >> >> Where are the websites that could bring us everything with a measure of >> quality? I'm interested in their absence and also the long-term lack of >> quality in entertainment from Bonanza to NCIS. And how is it we remember >> so little of our education? Why is that woman over there looking at me as >> though I'm a red-neck scumbag rather than the only thing between her and >> being th 4th black bag from the left? Do we ask any of the right questions? >> >> >> nesday, 15 April 2015 15:08:02 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> It is nice to know we are not alone in home projects.. finally i get a >>> small amount garden.. >>> >>> It id nice to know the young kids are being drawing into creative >>> projects.. please keep me informed of what is going on.. >>> >>> Politics is really boring. . The latest republican candidate has raised >>> my eye brow. Sounds like he is going to let Clinton take on the rampant >>> corruption then ride the propaganda surf.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>> >>> I am about to turn TV off and go strictly to streaming. The political >>> scene isn't worth my time much anymore, and it woes me to see my younger >>> family members buying in to the rhetoric. Yeah - Hillary Clinton will fight >>> for the middle class - (after she has redistributed the global wealth into >>> her pocket through her foundation.) None of it moves me anymore. >>> >>> Glad spring is here. I've enlisted my resident carpenter to help me >>> create a circle study for the garden shed and have begun painting again. >>> that ought to keep me happy until the snow begins to fall. >>> >>> At work we have begun to engage the young creative culture into making >>> and sharing video downtown. These kids have imagination and enthusiasm. >>> Very contagious. The politics and economy go on without my influence, (and >>> unless it all happens in my wake) it seems nothing calls me there. I feel >>> grateful. >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 4:10:45 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. April 15th is tax filing day. I fully understand. Just fished >>>> doing my taxes both here and in the states.. two different countries >>>> wanting taxes on the same money. My tax rate is very high.. >>>> As for the bribery well there is a new one here. And it will be >>>> interesting in the outcome. . Both banks and the police are involved., >>>> >>>> Bribery in the states realising I am an expat.. I am aware and >>>> concerned as what is going on.. because I am not in the states I am not >>>> bombarded by the constant propaganda. Until I came to the Netherlands it >>>> didn't bother me because didn't know different. >>>> >>>> Today it seems the propaganda has greatly increased. I see massively >>>> excessive amounts of money flowing freely and politicians getting richer >>>> or >>>> at least it seems that way.. like the weasel bush buying a huge ranch for >>>> less money than we paid for our house. >>>> >>>> All this what I consider inappropriate political behaviour was quickly >>>> covered up by the spin doctors with propganda.. they have no laws to stop >>>> them. Wait a minute there are laws against bribery but who is going to >>>> enforce them the politicians wait a minute they are benefiting so why >>>> would they.. >>>> >>>> The news stations are interested in sensationalism rather than >>>> reporting news for the benefit of society.. for them it is all about >>>> selling propaganda and they do that by selling numbers not truth. >>>> We wondr why society seems to be going to hell in a hand basket. . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bad pun >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Don Johnson <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 8:43 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>> >>>> Damn no wonder all youse Euros hate our guts if this dross is what >>>> passes for journalism across the pond. I did like the "War of Northern >>>> Agression" referance tho. That's what the Rebs called it. Of course the >>>> Emancipation Proclamation was political. So was Lincoln saying he had no >>>> intentions of ending slavery when he was trying to get elected. Of course >>>> he was working for/with the capitalists they paid for just about >>>> everything >>>> including the war. The man sure could turn a phrase tho, couldn't he? >>>> Churchill was like that as well. What a pair of bastard politicians these >>>> fucks were. >>>> >>>> We need lies Neil. This near atheist agnostic believes we need God. Not >>>> the asshole but the forgiving, male, blue-eyed and blond hippie dude. >>>> Peace, love and all that. We need the xtian work ethic and the charity. >>>> These things exist. I see them in person fairly frequently. Is there a >>>> dark >>>> side? Absolutely. Are there ratfuck preachers and priests? You betcha. >>>> Should we paint the entire institution with the pedo brush? I don't think >>>> so. Civilization needs moral structure. The ChiComs and the Soviets wanted >>>> to replace God with the State. Nice try; never gonna work. They both >>>> figured this out. Society needs the lies. Perhaps we need them about our >>>> leaders as well. >>>> >>>> That article had me mostly nodding in agreement right up until it >>>> mentions the West's staunch ally Vladimir Putin. Piss. You want to talk >>>> about Emperors this is the guy. Real scary guy. I just read Red Notice by >>>> Bill Browder. It's scary as fuck to see what can happen to a country when >>>> 20 or so super rich people run the show with no regard for law and order. >>>> I >>>> see us all headed down this path. America is attacking itself. Like a dog >>>> chewing it's own leg off. The Federal government using Alinsky tactics to >>>> subdue "upstarts." Rules For Radicals being used by the powers in the >>>> White >>>> House. Facist attacks on State government trying to protect religious >>>> freedoms originally passed on the Federal level bipartisanly by Bill >>>> Clinton himself. >>>> >>>> I'm tellin ya, I am not liking what I'm seeing. And to top it all off I >>>> have to send a big fat check to the lying, scum sucking, filthy election >>>> fixing bastards at the IRS today. People suck. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 5:03 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your clear ethical and moral foundation is fine Allan. Mine might be >>>>> half-good. But most people think they have such a foundation. So no >>>>> answers there I suspect. >>>>> >>>>> Across anthropology we find people with clear ethical and moral >>>>> foundations based on absolute crap. And people are firmly Xtian one day, >>>>> firmly Muslim the next - women convert easier which may be because they >>>>> don't have to go through adult circumcision. So what were the form >>>>> beliefs >>>>> really? They say the brave man dies only once, the coward a hundred >>>>> times >>>>> - yet dying ain't a good move in competitive evolution. Altruism and >>>>> heroism should die out, yet in fact, even celibacy runs in families! >>>>> >>>>> The propaganda can seem political - yet it is surely in deeper than >>>>> that. People believe they can spot the bad guy and can make sensible >>>>> decisions when they are very ignorant of facts and how to get them. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure I'm right on this and that the implications for rational >>>>> dialogue are that it is more or less excluded from our public domain. >>>>> You >>>>> and I don't need to 'do rational' with each other Allan - though I >>>>> suppose >>>>> we lapse to it from time to time. I suspect some of the young fogey >>>>> Americans who used to grace these pages will be amazed at what they said >>>>> a >>>>> few years back after the next crash. They generally think they are >>>>> rational, though I saw no sign of that. Don always struck me as the most >>>>> consistent and honest. >>>>> >>>>> The mistake may be our insistence on 'being rational' - when we mean >>>>> don't be nasty all the time, don't swear and other stuff. We are way too >>>>> dumb to distinguish rationality from convention. >>>>> >>>>> I've been wondering why the propaganda is all so bad - stuff like the >>>>> TV Westerns, the soaps and on to NCIS and nearly all films are truly >>>>> dreadful in standard. Something like this has been happening across >>>>> education - we've been calling this dumbing down but I suspect coercion. >>>>> >>>>> Be good to be able to do something, other than just die thinking we >>>>> missed the worst! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:22:55 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree there are deeper mechanism of propaganda than anyone >>>>>> realises. In our world it is so prevelant that it goes unnoticed .. >>>>>> everything from the blatant to the subliminal. 40 years ago the amount >>>>>> of >>>>>> information available was truly amazing. . Today the information >>>>>> available >>>>>> makes intelligence of forty years ago look like a starvation diet. The >>>>>> saving grace is i think the ability to interpret it lacks the connection >>>>>> >>>>>> to understand as intelligence is becoming dependent on computers. >>>>>> By the same idea propaganda is much more controlled. Psychology is >>>>>> playing a much greater roll as it has a much greater understanding of >>>>>> human >>>>>> response. With that greater knowledge of human psychology the ability >>>>>> to >>>>>> apply this psychology in the form of extremely effective propaganda. . >>>>>> Over >>>>>> here there is a new republican declared candidate that needs watching.. >>>>>> >>>>>> he has a team in the background running full blown propaganda network >>>>>> guiding him through the maze.. and they know what they are doing.. he >>>>>> is >>>>>> dangerous as I know little about him.. the keywords are there and in >>>>>> place. Very scary.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the only way I see to escape the constant manipulation and >>>>>> control lies in a clear moral and ethical foundation. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:05 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>> >>>>>> My guess is deeper mechanisms than we know have been at work in >>>>>> keeping us ignorant and probably have a big role in making us sick. Not >>>>>> sure what you mean by herbarium here - tends to have me thinking of >>>>>> plants. >>>>>> >>>>>> Going to make myself a cup of tea. Weather colder than promised and >>>>>> am waiting for the sun to break through before taking the hounds on a >>>>>> riverbank rampage. Might do a bacon roll too. Or crawl back into bed. >>>>>> It's not really cold - but we were promised decent sunshine and I'm >>>>>> disappointed. Tea will bring me round. >>>>>> >>>>>> Propaganda critique usually winds up as a kind of propaganda itself, >>>>>> often going too far. We need some spirit to break loose, but the usual >>>>>> one >>>>>> so far has been fascism. This relies on most people being switched off >>>>>> from thinking. They need that coral snake applied to ass! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:14:43 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was interesting article or peice. Years ago I spent a summer >>>>>>> volunteering at old civil war fort.. found a bottle while making a >>>>>>> bridge.. was going to keep it until I found it was a herbarium specimen >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> a coral snake. Turned it in then everything became really interesting >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the archeology department of the state Georgia showed up.. turned out >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> moat was cleaned 5 years before the civil war. The interest turned to >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> had the knowledge to make such a specimen. . (Never did find out) >>>>>>> They showed me a side of the civil war i never had heard of >>>>>>> before.. said the emancipation proclaimation was to prevent slaves >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> being forced to fight against the union forces. It also freed the irish >>>>>>> slave England had sold in America. >>>>>>> Slavery still exists today world wide it is part of the hidden >>>>>>> underbelly of society. . All societies. . >>>>>>> When you sort out the justification babble there are not many >>>>>>> guidelines. . What I read was someone trying to rewrite history.. as >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> look through history what I keep seeing people trying to control others >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> any means. Oftentimes the strangest propaganda is given. >>>>>>> The author of the piece sounds like he is English as it appears the >>>>>>> English leadership is empire orientated . Why is this person trying >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> create a history I never heard before.. >>>>>>> I think cuntocracy controlled by spin doctors is a good >>>>>>> discription .. a few people will actually see the truth and learn to >>>>>>> walk >>>>>>> a different path.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can this reality be a testing ground seeing how the soul responds.. >>>>>>> if that is true it make for one ¿mean? test. Especially when there is >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> fail grade just the determination of your future reality. . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 3:17 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suppose a lot depends on how far it has all gone Allan. I think >>>>>>> we've been had to such a degree that rational discussion is not >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> for most people. I don't even believe we know the reasons for such as >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> 'civil wars' and WW1 & WW2. This view on Lincoln is a classic of the >>>>>>> 'we >>>>>>> get history upside down' brigade I tend to agree with - >>>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-13/paul-craig- >>>>>>> roberts-america-will-be-hard-pressed-survive-lies-it-lives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 6:48:30 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Modern beliefs >>>>>>>> Words spinning free >>>>>>>> Concepts >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ideas twisted >>>>>>>> Bent to fit desires >>>>>>>> Spiritually >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Propaganda >>>>>>>> Flowing unabated daily >>>>>>>> Spin doctors rule >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Confused beliefs >>>>>>>> Dictating life conditions >>>>>>>> With God >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 4:49 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I once thought we could wander about under a shield of innocence >>>>>>>> Allan - and perhaps one can personally. The problem seems to be that >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> one looks around, everyone else is infected. Some of us have started >>>>>>>> calling the current state of affairs a "cuntocracy" - >>>>>>>> https://pinkindustry.wordpress.com/sociology/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tend to think very few of us are actually economically active >>>>>>>> directly and are already reclusive in bullshit jobs and retirement - >>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>> if we still look after our kids and put what seems a full week in. I >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> education may have been so bad that most people might struggle to fill >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> couple of sides of A4 on memories of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 3:08:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When it comes to praganda nothing surprises me. It seem we live in >>>>>>>>> world totally manipulated by propaganda that is in total control or >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> least tries to control our reality. . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My questions lie along the line of how does one escape such >>>>>>>>> intense propaganda. . Become isolated recluses? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 3:34 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We like to think we can do rational discussion, yet there is now >>>>>>>>> so much propaganda in our society it is hard to believe many of us >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> remotely prepared to argue with facts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.sprword.com/videos/psywar/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The situation is much worse than even this over-long video manages >>>>>>>>> to put over. Most entertainment drips with ideology and is made by >>>>>>>>> remarkably few people. I meet Americans who think propaganda >>>>>>>>> critique like >>>>>>>>> this is aimed at them. I would rather say that, if there are 174 >>>>>>>>> countries, there are 174 different versions of the propaganda. >>>>>>>>> Leadership >>>>>>>>> tells the same lies everywhere, adjusting only the heroes and victims. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One area that has been interesting me is the extent of propaganda >>>>>>>>> in the dire news and entertainment made available to us. Why are >>>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>>> from Bonanza to NCIS so bad? How do we end up with so many >>>>>>>>> pro-police >>>>>>>>> series given the weight of real incompetence and miscarriages of >>>>>>>>> justice? >>>>>>>>> How can lawyers ever be presented other than as vile, fee-sucking >>>>>>>>> parasites >>>>>>>>> in a system in which justice is a rare fluke? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The name 'Bellissario' is in the credits of Magnum PI and NCIS. >>>>>>>>> This and a very few others are involved in making much of our >>>>>>>>> entertainment, totally lacking in critical edge. The same wooden >>>>>>>>> actors >>>>>>>>> seem to dominate everything too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the UK, half our journalists come from public schools (ie very >>>>>>>>> high cost private schools) when only 7% of kids go to these bastions >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> privilege. In the UK, it has taken a quarter of a century to bring >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> truth about deaths at a soccer match to light (Hillsborough) - what >>>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>>> then of the truth about wars and economics in such a secrecy-prone >>>>>>>>> society? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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