I started another google group just to mess about with. It doesn't seem to glitch as often as ME. Might be easiest just to run a new group with a few of us as owners-managers? Kath's sites allow newsletter type stuff and even payments and so on. I forget the hosts. Later migration if we get anywhere and want more would be easy.
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:03:29 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I know what you mean,,, > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time > > Kath says 80% of troll behaviour can be picked up by software - though I > want to understand why it is out there. Gabby had a sort of smirking wit I > like, but in the end I can't take her beatings. Given I spend time talking > to machines one might think I wouldn't care too much about alters, but > somehow I don't like the deception. Pity we can't attract some real aliens > and a more international perspective. I like what Moll is saying. > > On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 12:18:37 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> There is the possibility of a "ME2" FaceBook page. Which is for groups. >> Just had a quick glance. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >> >> Whether we start a ME2 here or elsewhere doesn't matter to me. I've been >> waiting to suggest it to anyone until we sort ourselves out. Having it open >> but the requests strictly screened for signs of real human life would bring >> interesting members. I wouldn't be here without such an option. >> >> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 2:56:17 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> I think we need to move from this spot Molly - solely because of the >>> owner glitch. A new google group might suffice - I keep thinking about >>> something a bit more 'active' but there are probably other ways to do that. >>> Even going private leaves us with other options on invites and what we >>> might go public with that might lead to people we don't know. Kath (my >>> favourite techie) has shaped-up a couple of alternatives. The sites are >>> free for our kind of use, but you can quickly see there are loads of hidden >>> time and admin costs if there is much traffic. Kath is looking at trolls >>> for her PhD and developing silver bullets against them. I'm interested in >>> them in my general pursuit of "invisibility" - like watching the news and >>> feeling all that has happened is the world has been hidden from me. The >>> group I work with on AI had a two hour meeting over a website with Kath. >>> It was so bad all she said on it concerned how I'd known it would be a >>> good meeting to miss. I said the clue was in the word 'meeting'. >>> Apparently, much of the conversation was about the impact of different >>> shades of blue. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 12:24:56 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> This flu is dragging on and on in my house too although Jerry is more >>>> engaged now so I see there is hope since he came down with it first. Our >>>> tree of knowledge often rules the day. I agree with all you say, Neil. >>>> I've >>>> kept following gorilla journalists like Tim Pool more and more, as they >>>> give a less biased snapshot of happenings. the snapshots, however, do not >>>> seem to keep the dragons at bay. >>>> >>>> I have a couple of artists in mind to invite when we settle on a >>>> platform, or decide to stay put, whichever happens. One from the US >>>> midwest >>>> and the other from Uruguay. I know a couple of other folks who may or may >>>> not take up the invite but are really interesting. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 3:12:03 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have to say this 'flu or whatever has made me feel my mind was under >>>>> occupation. 'Blind Eagle' was a name we gave to illegally distilled >>>>> whiskey back in the day Allan. It made you feel you were flying because >>>>> it >>>>> had made you blind. >>>>> >>>>> Molly mentioned fun in a recent email and if we are going to establish >>>>> a niche somewhere I'm game. This said, I've been thinking about >>>>> "strategic >>>>> conversations", mostly because I can't find them anywhere - sure there >>>>> are >>>>> blogs I can contribute to - but the strategic conversations don't even >>>>> exist in the university circuit. Our media is currently full of the >>>>> story >>>>> that the EU is just letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean - yet no >>>>> mention of the US - Cuba situation years back. There is nothing about >>>>> our >>>>> role in creating the refugees and that they way we do economics has no >>>>> answers. Basically the media tells us less than we know in its news >>>>> broadcasts in coverage that is clearly part of not solving problems. >>>>> Some >>>>> residual part of me wants something better - but I also want something >>>>> that >>>>> is not miserable and protection from the trolls - including those trolls >>>>> who seek to prevent real discussion through making everything kitsch >>>>> (like >>>>> the media). >>>>> >>>>> The notion we can change anything fascinates me, though I sense we >>>>> need more fun to do this. One can dream in the Amazon that one is needed >>>>> to keep the sky up. Genuine and phony shamans are as difficult to >>>>> separate >>>>> as morons and risk takers. One needs the perspective of a laugh. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 1:03:58 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From what I have seen there are far to many posers. Many writing >>>>>> books and still have no real idea of what is happening. >>>>>> I know a bit but nothing compared to my native american friends. >>>>>> Often times they see what I can not one of them jokingly called me a >>>>>> blind >>>>>> eagle.. >>>>>> I was put into the position i desperately needed to use what i knew >>>>>> to help keep my ex alive and get her through serious medical conditions. >>>>>> . >>>>>> Mostly helping her deal with pain and avoid some of the effects of >>>>>> major >>>>>> brain surgery. The surgeon and I talked for hours and liked the >>>>>> results.. we became good friends. We were able to avoid excessive use >>>>>> of >>>>>> drugs. Which was good for her recovery. . It had many strange effects. . >>>>>> One of them is she hated me for keeping her alive.. >>>>>> I don't mind helping someone but I have no desire to control anyone.. >>>>>> fortunately people do not pay attention because there is a lot of >>>>>> natural >>>>>> spiritual energy involved and they never really learn to guide it.. good >>>>>> thing actually because there are places it is better not to tread. For >>>>>> me >>>>>> it was fascinating journey it verified what I was told. >>>>>> To journey with a true shaman can be an fantastic experience. But >>>>>> only if they want to take you. I was fortunate because i did voluntary >>>>>> work >>>>>> in their close proximity and we liked each other.. they bailed me out >>>>>> with >>>>>> the bishop when I stepped out of his guidelines. >>>>>> They where a group if characters what surprised me when around me >>>>>> there was an amazing was the inter tribal cooperation .. because thety >>>>>> told me how they did the samething. And of course they were all right.. >>>>>> but >>>>>> it was fascinating. . Even for them i think.. sometimes they knew each >>>>>> other from different planes. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no fear or danger in the shaman's journey, although the >>>>>> people that they help or "journey with" may be filled with fear, and so >>>>>> feel danger. Ultimately, during a journey into the soul, you can only be >>>>>> afraid of yourself. Although, like a bad acid trip, unstable >>>>>> personalities >>>>>> can unravel. Poser shamans might take advantage of others to claim >>>>>> "power" >>>>>> over them, but they aren't doing the authentic work of the shaman which >>>>>> is >>>>>> providing guidance for an inward journey and nothing more. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 8:02:47 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I meant to respond to this earlier. Headaches stole the day! I've >>>>>>> been reading work by a Yanomami shaman: >>>>>>> But the white people are other than us…. Their thought remains >>>>>>> constantly attached >>>>>>> to their merchandise. They make it relentlessly and constantly >>>>>>> desire new goods. But >>>>>>> they are probably not as wise as they think they are. I fear that >>>>>>> this euphoria of >>>>>>> merchandise will have no end and that they will entangle themselves >>>>>>> with it to the >>>>>>> point of chaos. They are already constantly killing each other for >>>>>>> money in their >>>>>>> cities and fighting other people for minerals and oil they take from >>>>>>> the ground. But >>>>>>> they do not seem concerned that they are making us all perish with >>>>>>> the epidemic >>>>>>> fumes that escape from all these things. They do not think that they >>>>>>> are spoiling the >>>>>>> earth and the sky and that they will never be able to recreate new >>>>>>> ones (p.281). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Falling Sky: Words of a Yanomami Shaman >>>>>>> Kopenawa, Davi, and Bruce Albert. >>>>>>> Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. 2013. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's a free review here if anyone is interested - >>>>>>> http://digitalcommons.trinity.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1193&context=tipiti >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “There is only one sky and we must >>>>>>> take care of it, for if it becomes sick, everything will come to an >>>>>>> end” (p. 410). >>>>>>> “I often listen to the words of my spirits who angrily ask >>>>>>> themselves: Why are the white people so hostile to us? >>>>>>> Why do they want us to die? What do they have against us who do not >>>>>>> mistreat them? Is it >>>>>>> simply because we are other people, inhabitants of the forest?” (p. >>>>>>> 408). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some guy born in the rain forest varies in semantics yet knows much >>>>>>> the same as us. I'm not keen on the supernatural as I tend to think >>>>>>> freedom is being free of arbitrary power decisions - so listening to >>>>>>> one's >>>>>>> soul is cute a metaphor, but also very dangerous for me - and falling >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> over words that are so ambiguous in the first place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:26:51 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No doubt we confuse our terms and semantic levels of meaning. I >>>>>>>> don't think any of that changes the mechanisms of thought, feeling and >>>>>>>> physical function in our lives. It only changes our view of our lives, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> includes our beliefs, concepts, philosophies, systems including >>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>> political and economic. Propaganda is nourished in the confusion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Intellectual traditions tend to assume human powers in reason >>>>>>>>> exist to restrain our baser instincts. This is largely an assumption >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the classical soul, copied into Xtianity and Islam. We all have >>>>>>>>> animalistic drives and passions, and Reason constrains these >>>>>>>>> individually >>>>>>>>> and as a polis (polis is the root of both polite and police). This >>>>>>>>> Reason >>>>>>>>> is a moral force. Lingering in this is a notion that our powers of >>>>>>>>> creativity must be demonic. Hume, perhaps infamously, had it that >>>>>>>>> 'reason >>>>>>>>> is and ought only to be the slave of the passions'. Reason cannot >>>>>>>>> tell us >>>>>>>>> what we should want, only how to get it. I am by no means sure of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> argument, which I think conflates reason and >>>>>>>>> deduction-induction-abduction. >>>>>>>>> I am convinced we have bureaucratised reason as a way of concealing >>>>>>>>> passion and spirit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our conception of rationality is incoherent, hardly a good start >>>>>>>>> for any rational claims. Sometimes rationality is a means, sometimes >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> an end; othertimes it has nothing to do with morality ('value-free') >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> then it is the essence of what is right and good. Princeton, at one >>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>> ran a course in "value free ethics", particularly stupid given that >>>>>>>>> science >>>>>>>>> knows no such thing as pure thought and knows any human without >>>>>>>>> emotion >>>>>>>>> would be incapable of thought. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A long way back in time, we find Molly's spiritual and mystical >>>>>>>>> techniques for achieving union with the divine as rationality. Our >>>>>>>>> fellow >>>>>>>>> travellers would be Greeks living in Italy - the Pythagoreans. In >>>>>>>>> out time >>>>>>>>> we have come to identify the soul, not with Reason but with >>>>>>>>> everything that >>>>>>>>> makes us unique, idiosyncratic or imaginative as pathetic >>>>>>>>> romanticists in >>>>>>>>> love with cosmological bureaucracy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 2:04:09 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clarity is a strange business. The language of being clear, >>>>>>>>>> resembling being bleached or de-loused in Scientology, dominates >>>>>>>>>> much of >>>>>>>>>> social research in needing to be pre-suppositionless, not to >>>>>>>>>> contaminate >>>>>>>>>> the research situation and hundreds of other terms such as >>>>>>>>>> 'hermeneutics >>>>>>>>>> guarantees truth'. This is all to be done by 'objects' that carry >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> other organisms around with them than cells with their own DNA. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Screws change directions on boats. This may be what saves the >>>>>>>>>> boat from ending-up on the rocks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 1:14:04 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Okay no soul just the eternal mind. . >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I screwed things up for you >>>>>>>>>>> Neil what was this beginning of clarity? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 2:08 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not suggesting any of us are Scientologists in any direct >>>>>>>>>>> sense. Though when we talk of rationality, clarity and other >>>>>>>>>>> impossible >>>>>>>>>>> ideal-types forgetting they are ideals, we share something with >>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>> lunacy. Of course, it isn't long before Allan screws up any chance >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> clarity, saving ourselves from ourselves with his up-the-sleeve >>>>>>>>>>> soul >>>>>>>>>>> forever-undefined-curing-all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I rather liked the idea that whatever we did was accessible to >>>>>>>>>>> other people, whatever 'condition' they were in. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:12:41 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose that's where the "father, forgive them for they know >>>>>>>>>>>> not what they do" advise comes in Neil. Even with people motivated >>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> criminal intent, they don't really understand the magnificence of >>>>>>>>>>>> the life >>>>>>>>>>>> they've been given and how they squander it. I grew weary of >>>>>>>>>>>> letting the >>>>>>>>>>>> ills of humanity upset me log ago and have mostly let go of it, >>>>>>>>>>>> although >>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally fall back into dismay over it. That dismay interferes >>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>> reverent feelings for life's wonders, so, eventually, I can again >>>>>>>>>>>> see the >>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom in letting go. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And even though, when in the throes of a virus, it is hard to >>>>>>>>>>>> remember the wonder, I do manage to find it every day. Even in a >>>>>>>>>>>> post that >>>>>>>>>>>> says "human society has little in it I would choose," because it >>>>>>>>>>>> allows me >>>>>>>>>>>> a kindred spirit. There is more to life than what human society >>>>>>>>>>>> holds and >>>>>>>>>>>> although at times it is difficult to see deeper or beyond, once >>>>>>>>>>>> done, it >>>>>>>>>>>> also seems so simple to do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 3:30:16 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Time is still a question.. but i do see an interconnection.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> and also Molly's friends.. RP sent me an email saying he wants >>>>>>>>>>>>> back in. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have friends who were involved with scientology. . They do >>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of brain washing. And bad creating lots of problems .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> from what the >>>>>>>>>>>>> movie was saying is time is a perspective .. it seems to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> series of >>>>>>>>>>>>> markers of the past ~ present . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The present moment is elusive as as as soon as you read this >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is already past.. as for the soul how does time interconnect >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> economics? That is your speciality. . I always thought that when >>>>>>>>>>>>> you look >>>>>>>>>>>>> at from different perspectives (booooo!) it helps in expanding >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> enlighting the concepts escaping from the lectures. . >>>>>>>>>>>>> The effect if time on present day economic practice.. perfect >>>>>>>>>>>>> for perspective time snapshots.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> lol. Where is the new camp ground? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 4:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his >>>>>>>>>>>>> soul-shell, might have something in it. There is only so much >>>>>>>>>>>>> time one can >>>>>>>>>>>>> lend to various ventures. I have developed an interest in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> more honest >>>>>>>>>>>>> creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely >>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled and has >>>>>>>>>>>>> little in it I would choose. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting >>>>>>>>>>>>> in that we struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of >>>>>>>>>>>>> wider, >>>>>>>>>>>>> crude religious practices everywhere. I fancy what most people >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> assumed to be rationality over the years is, in fact, something >>>>>>>>>>>>> similarly >>>>>>>>>>>>> crude and more of medieval time than anything modern. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We should upsticks Molly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enormous amount of money behind the effort. It took a small bit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Hermetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy, as old as written history, added methods of control >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brainwashing, threw in shunning and voila, you have something >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing your children and your assets and running at least a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> miles to get away from (Katie Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituents because these same concepts have been echoed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My >>>>>>>>>>>>>> biggest worry for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that leaves it open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>> group dialogue to survive. Maybe it is too boring without a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alters of one deeply disturbed person constantly arguing with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not really surprising time in this group has been so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medieval. Rationality has been conflated with morality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spirituality (very Descartes) and legitimation with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural. Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both know souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can say is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for her to follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a chance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospital right now in his last days on earth. She holds his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonders, as we all do during times like these, about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "time" we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given in this life with those we love. Sometimes, it seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be cut too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short and I have to wonder if this isn't the workings of soul, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected there eternally to those we love most. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give a pace of time to my day. The seasons give a broader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pace. We age in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. We measure change with time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars was actually blue. Hence the name.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See Tony even I can take leaps forward into reality.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol. (",) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buried? Reality has taken a leap forward with Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognising a book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug as a book plug. Soon he will be able to tell us a blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book is blue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which it isn't). We don't know there is a reality. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a reality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hypothesis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get real people! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invention used for measurement. Said more simply, it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the substance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the flask. Outside of human conjecture time does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did watch the movie. Interesting reminded me of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book promotion. . And we actually have heard the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logic from RP using a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the end there was a promotion for his book. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to him and the other program. Time is evasive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a matter of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. A perspective unique to each person. . The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently physics can not prove is the exsistance if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. . Unlike the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions people these people want to jump to.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that all our souls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for is the perspective known by the unique >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soul inside the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality of non-time ¿known? to exist within the reality of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which gets back to the original question just what the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heck is time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other veriables.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is ¿Time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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