Kath says 80% of troll behaviour can be picked up by software - though I want to understand why it is out there. Gabby had a sort of smirking wit I like, but in the end I can't take her beatings. Given I spend time talking to machines one might think I wouldn't care too much about alters, but somehow I don't like the deception. Pity we can't attract some real aliens and a more international perspective. I like what Moll is saying.
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 12:18:37 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > There is the possibility of a "ME2" FaceBook page. Which is for groups. > Just had a quick glance. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Molly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time > > Whether we start a ME2 here or elsewhere doesn't matter to me. I've been > waiting to suggest it to anyone until we sort ourselves out. Having it open > but the requests strictly screened for signs of real human life would bring > interesting members. I wouldn't be here without such an option. > > On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 2:56:17 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> I think we need to move from this spot Molly - solely because of the >> owner glitch. A new google group might suffice - I keep thinking about >> something a bit more 'active' but there are probably other ways to do that. >> Even going private leaves us with other options on invites and what we >> might go public with that might lead to people we don't know. Kath (my >> favourite techie) has shaped-up a couple of alternatives. The sites are >> free for our kind of use, but you can quickly see there are loads of hidden >> time and admin costs if there is much traffic. Kath is looking at trolls >> for her PhD and developing silver bullets against them. I'm interested in >> them in my general pursuit of "invisibility" - like watching the news and >> feeling all that has happened is the world has been hidden from me. The >> group I work with on AI had a two hour meeting over a website with Kath. >> It was so bad all she said on it concerned how I'd known it would be a >> good meeting to miss. I said the clue was in the word 'meeting'. >> Apparently, much of the conversation was about the impact of different >> shades of blue. >> >> On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 12:24:56 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>> >>> This flu is dragging on and on in my house too although Jerry is more >>> engaged now so I see there is hope since he came down with it first. Our >>> tree of knowledge often rules the day. I agree with all you say, Neil. I've >>> kept following gorilla journalists like Tim Pool more and more, as they >>> give a less biased snapshot of happenings. the snapshots, however, do not >>> seem to keep the dragons at bay. >>> >>> I have a couple of artists in mind to invite when we settle on a >>> platform, or decide to stay put, whichever happens. One from the US midwest >>> and the other from Uruguay. I know a couple of other folks who may or may >>> not take up the invite but are really interesting. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 3:12:03 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> I have to say this 'flu or whatever has made me feel my mind was under >>>> occupation. 'Blind Eagle' was a name we gave to illegally distilled >>>> whiskey back in the day Allan. It made you feel you were flying because >>>> it >>>> had made you blind. >>>> >>>> Molly mentioned fun in a recent email and if we are going to establish >>>> a niche somewhere I'm game. This said, I've been thinking about >>>> "strategic >>>> conversations", mostly because I can't find them anywhere - sure there are >>>> blogs I can contribute to - but the strategic conversations don't even >>>> exist in the university circuit. Our media is currently full of the story >>>> that the EU is just letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean - yet no >>>> mention of the US - Cuba situation years back. There is nothing about our >>>> role in creating the refugees and that they way we do economics has no >>>> answers. Basically the media tells us less than we know in its news >>>> broadcasts in coverage that is clearly part of not solving problems. Some >>>> residual part of me wants something better - but I also want something >>>> that >>>> is not miserable and protection from the trolls - including those trolls >>>> who seek to prevent real discussion through making everything kitsch (like >>>> the media). >>>> >>>> The notion we can change anything fascinates me, though I sense we need >>>> more fun to do this. One can dream in the Amazon that one is needed to >>>> keep the sky up. Genuine and phony shamans are as difficult to separate >>>> as >>>> morons and risk takers. One needs the perspective of a laugh. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 1:03:58 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From what I have seen there are far to many posers. Many writing >>>>> books and still have no real idea of what is happening. >>>>> I know a bit but nothing compared to my native american friends. Often >>>>> times they see what I can not one of them jokingly called me a blind >>>>> eagle.. >>>>> I was put into the position i desperately needed to use what i knew to >>>>> help keep my ex alive and get her through serious medical conditions. . >>>>> Mostly helping her deal with pain and avoid some of the effects of major >>>>> brain surgery. The surgeon and I talked for hours and liked the >>>>> results.. we became good friends. We were able to avoid excessive use of >>>>> drugs. Which was good for her recovery. . It had many strange effects. . >>>>> One of them is she hated me for keeping her alive.. >>>>> I don't mind helping someone but I have no desire to control anyone.. >>>>> fortunately people do not pay attention because there is a lot of >>>>> natural >>>>> spiritual energy involved and they never really learn to guide it.. good >>>>> thing actually because there are places it is better not to tread. For >>>>> me >>>>> it was fascinating journey it verified what I was told. >>>>> To journey with a true shaman can be an fantastic experience. But >>>>> only if they want to take you. I was fortunate because i did voluntary >>>>> work >>>>> in their close proximity and we liked each other.. they bailed me out >>>>> with >>>>> the bishop when I stepped out of his guidelines. >>>>> They where a group if characters what surprised me when around me >>>>> there was an amazing was the inter tribal cooperation .. because thety >>>>> told me how they did the samething. And of course they were all right.. >>>>> but >>>>> it was fascinating. . Even for them i think.. sometimes they knew each >>>>> other from different planes. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>> >>>>> There is no fear or danger in the shaman's journey, although the >>>>> people that they help or "journey with" may be filled with fear, and so >>>>> feel danger. Ultimately, during a journey into the soul, you can only be >>>>> afraid of yourself. Although, like a bad acid trip, unstable >>>>> personalities >>>>> can unravel. Poser shamans might take advantage of others to claim >>>>> "power" >>>>> over them, but they aren't doing the authentic work of the shaman which >>>>> is >>>>> providing guidance for an inward journey and nothing more. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 8:02:47 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I meant to respond to this earlier. Headaches stole the day! I've >>>>>> been reading work by a Yanomami shaman: >>>>>> But the white people are other than us…. Their thought remains >>>>>> constantly attached >>>>>> to their merchandise. They make it relentlessly and constantly desire >>>>>> new goods. But >>>>>> they are probably not as wise as they think they are. I fear that >>>>>> this euphoria of >>>>>> merchandise will have no end and that they will entangle themselves >>>>>> with it to the >>>>>> point of chaos. They are already constantly killing each other for >>>>>> money in their >>>>>> cities and fighting other people for minerals and oil they take from >>>>>> the ground. But >>>>>> they do not seem concerned that they are making us all perish with >>>>>> the epidemic >>>>>> fumes that escape from all these things. They do not think that they >>>>>> are spoiling the >>>>>> earth and the sky and that they will never be able to recreate new >>>>>> ones (p.281). >>>>>> >>>>>> The Falling Sky: Words of a Yanomami Shaman >>>>>> Kopenawa, Davi, and Bruce Albert. >>>>>> Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. 2013. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a free review here if anyone is interested - >>>>>> http://digitalcommons.trinity.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1193&context=tipiti >>>>>> >>>>>> “There is only one sky and we must >>>>>> take care of it, for if it becomes sick, everything will come to an >>>>>> end” (p. 410). >>>>>> “I often listen to the words of my spirits who angrily ask >>>>>> themselves: Why are the white people so hostile to us? >>>>>> Why do they want us to die? What do they have against us who do not >>>>>> mistreat them? Is it >>>>>> simply because we are other people, inhabitants of the forest?” (p. >>>>>> 408). >>>>>> >>>>>> Some guy born in the rain forest varies in semantics yet knows much >>>>>> the same as us. I'm not keen on the supernatural as I tend to think >>>>>> freedom is being free of arbitrary power decisions - so listening to >>>>>> one's >>>>>> soul is cute a metaphor, but also very dangerous for me - and falling >>>>>> out >>>>>> over words that are so ambiguous in the first place. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:26:51 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No doubt we confuse our terms and semantic levels of meaning. I >>>>>>> don't think any of that changes the mechanisms of thought, feeling and >>>>>>> physical function in our lives. It only changes our view of our lives, >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> includes our beliefs, concepts, philosophies, systems including health, >>>>>>> political and economic. Propaganda is nourished in the confusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Intellectual traditions tend to assume human powers in reason exist >>>>>>>> to restrain our baser instincts. This is largely an assumption about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> classical soul, copied into Xtianity and Islam. We all have >>>>>>>> animalistic >>>>>>>> drives and passions, and Reason constrains these individually and as a >>>>>>>> polis (polis is the root of both polite and police). This Reason is a >>>>>>>> moral >>>>>>>> force. Lingering in this is a notion that our powers of creativity >>>>>>>> must be >>>>>>>> demonic. Hume, perhaps infamously, had it that 'reason is and ought >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> to be the slave of the passions'. Reason cannot tell us what we >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> want, only how to get it. I am by no means sure of this argument, >>>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>> think conflates reason and deduction-induction-abduction. I am >>>>>>>> convinced >>>>>>>> we have bureaucratised reason as a way of concealing passion and >>>>>>>> spirit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our conception of rationality is incoherent, hardly a good start >>>>>>>> for any rational claims. Sometimes rationality is a means, sometimes >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> an end; othertimes it has nothing to do with morality ('value-free') >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then it is the essence of what is right and good. Princeton, at one >>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>> ran a course in "value free ethics", particularly stupid given that >>>>>>>> science >>>>>>>> knows no such thing as pure thought and knows any human without >>>>>>>> emotion >>>>>>>> would be incapable of thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A long way back in time, we find Molly's spiritual and mystical >>>>>>>> techniques for achieving union with the divine as rationality. Our >>>>>>>> fellow >>>>>>>> travellers would be Greeks living in Italy - the Pythagoreans. In out >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> we have come to identify the soul, not with Reason but with everything >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> makes us unique, idiosyncratic or imaginative as pathetic romanticists >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> love with cosmological bureaucracy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 2:04:09 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clarity is a strange business. The language of being clear, >>>>>>>>> resembling being bleached or de-loused in Scientology, dominates much >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> social research in needing to be pre-suppositionless, not to >>>>>>>>> contaminate >>>>>>>>> the research situation and hundreds of other terms such as >>>>>>>>> 'hermeneutics >>>>>>>>> guarantees truth'. This is all to be done by 'objects' that carry >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> other organisms around with them than cells with their own DNA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Screws change directions on boats. This may be what saves the >>>>>>>>> boat from ending-up on the rocks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 1:14:04 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Okay no soul just the eternal mind. . >>>>>>>>>> Sorry I screwed things up for you >>>>>>>>>> Neil what was this beginning of clarity? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 2:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not suggesting any of us are Scientologists in any direct >>>>>>>>>> sense. Though when we talk of rationality, clarity and other >>>>>>>>>> impossible >>>>>>>>>> ideal-types forgetting they are ideals, we share something with such >>>>>>>>>> lunacy. Of course, it isn't long before Allan screws up any chance >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> clarity, saving ourselves from ourselves with his up-the-sleeve soul >>>>>>>>>> forever-undefined-curing-all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I rather liked the idea that whatever we did was accessible to >>>>>>>>>> other people, whatever 'condition' they were in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:12:41 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suppose that's where the "father, forgive them for they know >>>>>>>>>>> not what they do" advise comes in Neil. Even with people motivated >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> criminal intent, they don't really understand the magnificence of >>>>>>>>>>> the life >>>>>>>>>>> they've been given and how they squander it. I grew weary of >>>>>>>>>>> letting the >>>>>>>>>>> ills of humanity upset me log ago and have mostly let go of it, >>>>>>>>>>> although >>>>>>>>>>> occasionally fall back into dismay over it. That dismay interferes >>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>> reverent feelings for life's wonders, so, eventually, I can again >>>>>>>>>>> see the >>>>>>>>>>> wisdom in letting go. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And even though, when in the throes of a virus, it is hard to >>>>>>>>>>> remember the wonder, I do manage to find it every day. Even in a >>>>>>>>>>> post that >>>>>>>>>>> says "human society has little in it I would choose," because it >>>>>>>>>>> allows me >>>>>>>>>>> a kindred spirit. There is more to life than what human society >>>>>>>>>>> holds and >>>>>>>>>>> although at times it is difficult to see deeper or beyond, once >>>>>>>>>>> done, it >>>>>>>>>>> also seems so simple to do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 3:30:16 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time is still a question.. but i do see an interconnection.. >>>>>>>>>>>> and also Molly's friends.. RP sent me an email saying he wants >>>>>>>>>>>> back in. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have friends who were involved with scientology. . They do a >>>>>>>>>>>> lot of brain washing. And bad creating lots of problems .. from >>>>>>>>>>>> what the >>>>>>>>>>>> movie was saying is time is a perspective .. it seems to be a >>>>>>>>>>>> series of >>>>>>>>>>>> markers of the past ~ present . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The present moment is elusive as as as soon as you read this >>>>>>>>>>>> it is already past.. as for the soul how does time interconnect >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> economics? That is your speciality. . I always thought that when >>>>>>>>>>>> you look >>>>>>>>>>>> at from different perspectives (booooo!) it helps in expanding >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> enlighting the concepts escaping from the lectures. . >>>>>>>>>>>> The effect if time on present day economic practice.. perfect >>>>>>>>>>>> for perspective time snapshots.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lol. Where is the new camp ground? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 4:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his >>>>>>>>>>>> soul-shell, might have something in it. There is only so much >>>>>>>>>>>> time one can >>>>>>>>>>>> lend to various ventures. I have developed an interest in the >>>>>>>>>>>> more honest >>>>>>>>>>>> creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there. I >>>>>>>>>>>> have been >>>>>>>>>>>> led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely disabled >>>>>>>>>>>> and has >>>>>>>>>>>> little in it I would choose. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting >>>>>>>>>>>> in that we struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of >>>>>>>>>>>> wider, >>>>>>>>>>>> crude religious practices everywhere. I fancy what most people >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> assumed to be rationality over the years is, in fact, something >>>>>>>>>>>> similarly >>>>>>>>>>>> crude and more of medieval time than anything modern. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We should upsticks Molly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an >>>>>>>>>>>>> enormous amount of money behind the effort. It took a small bit >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Hermetic >>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy, as old as written history, added methods of control >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> brainwashing, threw in shunning and voila, you have something >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing your children and your assets and running at least a >>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand >>>>>>>>>>>>> miles to get away from (Katie Holmes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its >>>>>>>>>>>>> constituents because these same concepts have been echoed >>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout the >>>>>>>>>>>>> ages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My >>>>>>>>>>>>> biggest worry for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing >>>>>>>>>>>>> platform >>>>>>>>>>>>> that leaves it open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for >>>>>>>>>>>>> a small >>>>>>>>>>>>> group dialogue to survive. Maybe it is too boring without a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle of >>>>>>>>>>>>> alters of one deeply disturbed person constantly arguing with >>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not really surprising time in this group has been so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> medieval. Rationality has been conflated with morality, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spirituality (very Descartes) and legitimation with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural. Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both know souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can say is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for her to follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a chance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospital right now in his last days on earth. She holds his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonders, as we all do during times like these, about the "time" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given in this life with those we love. Sometimes, it seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be cut too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short and I have to wonder if this isn't the workings of soul, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected there eternally to those we love most. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give a pace of time to my day. The seasons give a broader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pace. We age in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. We measure change with time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars was actually blue. Hence the name.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See Tony even I can take leaps forward into reality.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol. (",) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it buried? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reality has taken a leap forward with Allan recognising a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book plug as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book plug. Soon he will be able to tell us a blue book is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue (which it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't). We don't know there is a reality. There is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality hypothesis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get real people! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invention used for measurement. Said more simply, it is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the substance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the flask. Outside of human conjecture time does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did watch the movie. Interesting reminded me of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book promotion. . And we actually have heard the same logic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from RP using a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the end there was a promotion for his book. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to him and the other program. Time is evasive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a matter of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. A perspective unique to each person. . The one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently physics can not prove is the exsistance if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. . Unlike the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions people these people want to jump to.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that all our souls are responsible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for is the perspective known by the unique soul inside the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-time ¿known? to exist within the reality of time.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which gets back to the original question just what the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heck is time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> veriables.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is ¿Time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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