On Sat, May 04, 2019 at 01:07:34AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
On 5/3/19 2:32 PM, Strahil Nikolov wrote:
On May 3, 2019 10:49:55 PM GMT+03:00, Nick Holland
<n...@holland-consulting.net> wrote:
On 5/2/19 1:52 AM, Consus wrote:

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I tried to update a VM (stock setup) with a 10 GB disk from 6.4 to
6.5  and thus it seemed that booting from the 6.5 DVD will do the
trick. Sadly the installer never checked the avalable space , but
just started to do it's stuff until reporting that not enough space
is available.

 A default Fedora installation here is using 39GB from a whole disk
(no VM), after two or three years of using it, with a a few upgrades
in between. Now admittedly there a few big files in that sum. But even
if I count those big ones off I'd assume that a default install or
upgrade of any OS (Windows, Linux, whatever ...) on a disk with just
10(!) GB might be just a little, little bit too small: and it takes no
installer to tell me that ... ;)

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And ... considering the number of times I've seen and heard about Linux
systems hose themselves with upgrades, I question your implication.
Major Linux upgrade?  Most people I know just say "Screw it.  Rebuild,

 Even on that Fedora Linux from where I'm writing this, it takes a
bit of preparation for a major upgrade: like close down X, the DM,
move to a console, start (as an example) some tmux, and from there
start very specific steps to upgrade. To just believe one can press an
upgrade button in Fedora and hope this will work is akin to asking for
trouble right on my knees ... ;)

 But I admit, Fedora users might be to lured into this
"just-press-the-upgrade-button" easily - not being sure why this is
so ...

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Why did the installer allow installation despite the available space
is low ( even windows checks available space :) )???

see above ... ;)

Here comes my favorite part:

OpenBSD has what I call a "Learning Curb".  You gotta lift your feet.
Not a lot, it's not hard, but you can't just shuffle along mindlessly
and expect to be carried to the next level without your engaging your brain

 Well: it is hard. It takes time to learn. Tho' no university grades
being needed to succeed in that, I think.

If you used Linux for a little bit and figured that OpenBSD is "just
like Linux, but different", yeah, no, you are going to be disappointed.
Different beast.

From a management perspective, I'd say Linux and Windows are much
more alike than Linux and OpenBSD.


Linux is written for and by those frustrated with Windows
("Reinventing Windows, poorly").  OpenBSD is Unix.  It's probably the
simplest Unix out there to use and manage, but it's not Windows (or

Or...  Think of Linux (and windows) as the big cushy luxury car.
Easy to drive, assuming you work within the anticipated parameters,
but you really have no idea what's going on under the hood.  "you
aren't supposed to".  That's the design goal, and it works pretty
well...until it doesn't.

again: +1

OpenBSD is more like a semi-primative small car with tight
suspension and a stick-shift trans.  It's got antilock brakes, but for
the most part, it assumes you know what you are doing when you get
behind the wheel.  When it gets a little wonky, you pop the hood, look
around, see what's not right.  Grab a couple tools from the trunk
(included!) fix it, and be back on the road before the guy in the Luxury
car has figured out how to call for a tow truck.

Spend a little time learning OpenBSD,

Yes: time needed, I think: Took me a while until I got that ... :)

and you will find you can make it do amazing things.


Thanks, and Regards,

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