On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:26:18 +0200
Tomasz Rola <rto...@ceti.pl> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:18:18PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Frankly, there is not much point in non-developers discussing
> > whether additions to base are acceptable. Feel free to suggest
>
> Well, whatever developers come up to, I hope I will be able to
> continue using FVWM, on top or inside the thing. I only post in this
> thread because I sense there are many people out there (I do not mean
> you) who equal graphical environment with the lookalikes of Windows
> and Mac (KDE, Gnome2 or 3). For me, that is too bloated and sometimes
> too inefficient.
It's not just you. It's a lot of people. I use Openbox with program
instantiation via dmenu. Now here's the thing: dmenu is written in pure
X: No qt, no gtk, no xforms. Dmenu does its job perfectly, so quickly
that instantiation from hotkey is imperceptable, as is menu changes in
response to keystrokes. I've tried higher level substitutes that
were a part of "desktop environments", and those saddled me with an
aggravating latency between hotkey and instantiation, hence are no
substitute for dmenu. Dmenu is at the core foundation of my workflow, so
its loss would hurt me.
I've seen more than one person in this thread go beyond supporting
Wayland, and actively campaign for the removal of X, going so far as
to gloat about its supposedly impending removal. What they're telling me
is "hey Steve, get with the program, the new thing: Adopt that annoying
latency in a program you use hundreds of times a day." It's one thing
to support an alternative: Quite another to call for the death of the
original.
And what of the alternative? It was first released 11 years ago, and
has consistently come up short enough that it took until now, 11 years
later, for a Linux distro to make it the default. Any software that
takes 11 years to achieve reliability has real problems: Problems I
don't want to be a part of.
If Wayland is now reliable and safe enough to use in OpenBSD, fine,
include it. But those who call for X11's removal are just asking for
trouble like the 2012-2015 systemd wars that plagued Linux and which
OpenBSD avoided.
SteveT
Steve Litt
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of the Successful Technologist
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