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So there's the space beneath the left deck - where the preview deck
lives. The space on the other side is empty. Can the micaux array
get shrunk a bit and fit over there? That would save some space,
plus be nice and symmetrical.

~RAWRR

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:34:41 +0000 re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:15:37 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann"
><dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>If I recall it correct, it should help.
>>This has also the benefit that you can see more tracks in the
>>library.
>>
>
>And whatever other controls as well... interesting.
>
>>
>>Am 08.06.2015 um 23:10 schrieb re-cy...@hushmail.com:
>>> Interesting re: CPU. What do you think about decreasing the
>>height
>>> but keeping the width re: CPU?
>>>
>>> ~RAWRR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:00:52 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann"
>>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi Markus,
>>>
>>> > Nice mock-up.
>>>
>>> > In the past we had issues with four full size Waveforms
>>because
>>> > the CPU
>>> > usage increases with the size.
>>> > So I am afraid that view does not suit to be part of Mixxx
>>default
>>> > skin.
>>> > IMHO we have already more then enough view options in the
>>> > LateNight skin.
>>>
>>> > But there should be no problem with a recent devices.
>>> > If this is the perfect skin for you use case, you are welcome
>>to
>>> > fork it.
>>> > Thats the benefit of our skin engine.
>>>
>>> > Kind regards.
>>>
>>> > Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Am 08.06.2015 um 18:42 schrieb Markus Klösges:
>>> >>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck
>toggle]
>>> >>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
>>> >>> waveform 1
>>> >>> waveform 2
>>> >>> waveform 3
>>> >>> waveform 4
>>> >>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]
>>> >> I'm using Mixxx without controller without scratching and so
>>on,
>>> > just
>>> >> simple crossfading with external mixer and so on.
>>> >> I would also prefer the option to have the (almost) screen-
>>wide
>>> >> waveforms. I liked the 'old' 1.11 Latenight. Clearly that
>>> > doesn't work
>>> >> out for 4 decks.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think one should not clutter a skin with dozens of config-
>>> > options but
>>> >> better fork that skin (or decide for one, better, solution
>>> > maybe).
>>> >>
>>> >> The option to get the bigLibrary is a real benefit for me
>and
>>> > results in
>>> >> lesser need of a large library when everything is turned on.
>>> >>
>>> >> The only reason I have the mixer turned on is the crossfader
>>and
>>> > the
>>> >> preview-Buttons. On my machine, in 4 and 2 deck mode without
>>the
>>> > mixer
>>> >> there is some space where the mixxx logo is displayed. Would
>>it
>>> > be
>>> >> possible to get the crossfader (and maybe the cue-buttons)
>>> > there? That
>>> >> would result in the big waveforms for me.
>>> >>
>>> >> Another option would be to make the waveforms (nearly)
>screen-
>>
>>> > wide and
>>> >> place pitch, EQ, Volume, Cue, on the left and right (as
>pitch
>>> > was in
>>> >> 1.11). That would only leave crossfader, Master, Balance,
>>> > HeadGain and
>>> >> Pre/Main from the mixer-section what could eventually be
>>placed
>>> > like
>>> >> proposed above where the mixxx logo is, in between of
>>> > previewDeck and
>>> >> maybe Mics.
>>> >> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck1] [Waveform 1] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck2]
>>> >> [------------------] [Waveform 3] [------------------]
>>> >> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck3] [Waveform 2] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck4]
>>> >> [------------------] [Waveform 4] [------------------]
>>> >> [ Deck1 ]       [ Deck2 ]     [ Deck3 ]      [ Deck4 ]
>>> >> [PreviewDeck]   [   Crossfade/Master  ]  [Microphones]
>>> >> [Samplers]
>>> >> [Effects]
>>> >> [Library]
>>> >>
>>> >> I've done a quick sketch http://imgur.com/MruunAd
>>> >> I've not rescaled anything except some little changes and
>>this
>>> > dosn't
>>> >> get bigger than the current approach but gives much bigger
>>> > waveforms.
>>> >>
>>> >> But I am unsure if this is out of scope for LateNight and
>>should
>>> > better
>>> >> be done in an other skin.
>>> >>
>>> >> What do you think?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Markus
>>> >>
>>> >> Am 08.06.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Be:
>>> >>> I tested it and it helps, but adding these options feels
>>like
>>> > putting
>>> >>> bandages on a bigger design issues that are not very easy
>to
>>> > solve.
>>> >>> There are so many buttons for skin options at the top that
>>it's
>>> > kinda
>>> >>> overwhelming. However, I think trying to implement better
>>> > solutions to
>>> >>> those design challenges would take a lot of effort that
>>> > shouldn't delay
>>> >>> 1.12.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck
>toggle]
>>> >>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
>>> >>> waveform 1
>>> >>> waveform 2
>>> >>> waveform 3
>>> >>> waveform 4
>>> >>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/06/2015 01:04 PM, Owen Williams wrote:
>>> >>>> "thanks" as in, you tested it and it works well?  I don't
>>want
>>> > to commit
>>> >>>> without someone taking a look at it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 09:30 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:14 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>> >>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> I've posted a PR for some new LateNight display options.
>>> > I'm
>>> >>>>>> definitely
>>> >>>>>> running up against the limits of the skinning engine so
>I
>>> > can't do
>>> >>>>>> a lot
>>> >>>>>> more than this.  But it makes it possible to
>specifically
>>> > select
>>> >>>>>> the big
>>> >>>>>> waveforms if you want them.  It also makes it possible
>to
>>> > turn off
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> EQs to save some vertical space without eliminating the
>>> > whole
>>> >>>>>> mixer.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks:)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 05:16 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Owen,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> That mockup was poorly thought out re: mixer, sorry. I
>>> > never use
>>> >>>>>> 4
>>> >>>>>>> decks :/
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> If you aren't sick of my backseat driving yet, I just
>>had
>>> >>>>>> another
>>> >>>>>>> slightly radical idea - make LateNight's library
>"toggle
>>> > only",
>>> >>>>>> so
>>> >>>>>>> that the "big library" button becomes the only way to
>>see
>>> > it.
>>> >>>>>> This
>>> >>>>>>> wouldn't inhibit my personal use style, and it would
>>free
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> entire screen for controls.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Possibly a complimentary idea is to let the search
>field
>>> > remain
>>> >>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> the main window, and have "big library" open with the
>>> > results,
>>> >>>>>>> either as you type or after hitting enter.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Just for fun I've attached the Gimp .xcf layers I used
>>for
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> mockup, which can be used in a paper-doll fashion.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:01:55 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>> >>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> I think we should come up with some sort of standard
>>> > effect
>>> >>>>>> rack
>>> >>>>>>>> template that all the skins can share (and theme as
>>> > necessary)
>>> >>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>>> I'm
>>> >>>>>>>> not sure we can do that in time for release.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> There is currently not enough room for big waveforms
>>and
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>> mixer
>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>> also 4 decks.  At low resolutions, it's already
>>impossible
>>> > to
>>> >>>>>> show
>>> >>>>>>>> every
>>> >>>>>>>> UI element, and the skin system is not flexible enough
>>to
>>> > allow
>>> >>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>> every possible combination of elements.  So the design
>>is
>>> > a
>>> >>>>>> best-
>>> >>>>>>>> effort
>>> >>>>>>>> at letting people choose a good layout.  Ultimately if
>>> > there's
>>> >>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>> skin
>>> >>>>>>>> design you want that isn't possible, it may be
>>necessary
>>> > to
>>> >>>>>> create
>>> >>>>>>>> a new
>>> >>>>>>>> skin for it.  For a while I was maintaining LateNight-
>>> > Wide,
>>> >>>>>> which
>>> >>>>>>>> had
>>> >>>>>>>> all four decks horizontally and the waveforms at the
>>top,
>>> >>>>>> spanning
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> width of the screen.  Maybe it's time to resurrect
>>that.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 18:40 +0000, re-
>>cy...@hushmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> Owen,
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been using the LateNight resizeable skin and I
>>have
>>> > a
>>> >>>>>>>> couple
>>> >>>>>>>>> of issues:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Can we get a thing where the effects bank can
>>optionally
>>> > get
>>> >>>>>>>>> minimized, possibly back to the simplistic dials
>>existing
>>> >>>>>>>>> previously? I'm running out of real estate on all of
>>my
>>> >>>>>> screens,
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>> don't currently have any hi-res ones.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Related, I kind of hate being forced to choose
>>waveforms
>>> > vs.
>>> >>>>>>>> mixer,
>>> >>>>>>>>> and the loss of big waveforms in that skin to begin
>>with.
>>> > It
>>> >>>>>>>> seems
>>> >>>>>>>>> to me the reason they got 86'd was the effects bank
>>> > mentioned
>>> >>>>>>>> above.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Didn't file a bug because this is just my
>>> >>>>>> experience/preference,
>>> >>>>>>>>> but thought you'd want feedback.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:53:57 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>> >>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 15:29 -0400, RJ Ryan wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The skins are in kind of bad shape at the moment.
>>They
>>> >>>>>> really
>>> >>>>>>>>>> need
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> polish to bring them to design bar that we set
>>pretty
>>> > high
>>> >>>>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1.11.0.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> You mention skins are in a bad shape -- can you file
>>> > bugs
>>> >>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>> issues you
>>> >>>>>>>>>> know about?  I've been fixing the LateNight bugs as
>>they
>>> > are
>>> >>>>>>>>>> reported
>>> >>>>>>>>>> and I think things are in a pretty good state there.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> We really need to get the Deere stuff merged in,
>>though.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
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