Is mentioned earlier - I don't want (you) to clutter LateNight with dozens of configs. I think the proposed one should get another skin. LateNight as it is now is much more structured and easier to understand for new users than the suggested approach is - even if it has some advantages.
Just wanted to give my two cents to this thread, didn't ment to rework LateNight - I think its fine for most users. Am 09.06.2015 um 16:23 schrieb Owen Williams: > At this point we've reached the end of the road for how flexible > LateNight can be. It's fairly flexible already, and every bit of > flexibility I try to add beyond that is causing ripple effects for other > layouts. So for now, if you want to experiment with other options, I'd > suggest you fork the skin and try moving the pieces around. It might be > fun to resurrect LateNight-wide (which may still be in the > developer_skins repo) and see if it can be made to behave better. > > > On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 05:05 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: >> So there's the space beneath the left deck - where the preview deck >> lives. The space on the other side is empty. Can the micaux array >> get shrunk a bit and fit over there? That would save some space, >> plus be nice and symmetrical. >> >> ~RAWRR >> >> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:34:41 +0000 re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote: >>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:15:37 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" >>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: >>>> If I recall it correct, it should help. >>>> This has also the benefit that you can see more tracks in the >>>> library. >>>> >>> >>> And whatever other controls as well... interesting. >>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 23:10 schrieb re-cy...@hushmail.com: >>>>> Interesting re: CPU. What do you think about decreasing the >>>> height >>>>> but keeping the width re: CPU? >>>>> >>>>> ~RAWRR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:00:52 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" >>>>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Markus, >>>>> >>>>>> Nice mock-up. >>>>> >>>>>> In the past we had issues with four full size Waveforms >>>> because >>>>>> the CPU >>>>>> usage increases with the size. >>>>>> So I am afraid that view does not suit to be part of Mixxx >>>> default >>>>>> skin. >>>>>> IMHO we have already more then enough view options in the >>>>>> LateNight skin. >>>>> >>>>>> But there should be no problem with a recent devices. >>>>>> If this is the perfect skin for you use case, you are welcome >>>> to >>>>>> fork it. >>>>>> Thats the benefit of our skin engine. >>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards. >>>>> >>>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 18:42 schrieb Markus Klösges: >>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck >>> toggle] >>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2] >>>>>>>> waveform 1 >>>>>>>> waveform 2 >>>>>>>> waveform 3 >>>>>>>> waveform 4 >>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4] >>>>>>> I'm using Mixxx without controller without scratching and so >>>> on, >>>>>> just >>>>>>> simple crossfading with external mixer and so on. >>>>>>> I would also prefer the option to have the (almost) screen- >>>> wide >>>>>>> waveforms. I liked the 'old' 1.11 Latenight. Clearly that >>>>>> doesn't work >>>>>>> out for 4 decks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think one should not clutter a skin with dozens of config- >>>>>> options but >>>>>>> better fork that skin (or decide for one, better, solution >>>>>> maybe). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The option to get the bigLibrary is a real benefit for me >>> and >>>>>> results in >>>>>>> lesser need of a large library when everything is turned on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only reason I have the mixer turned on is the crossfader >>>> and >>>>>> the >>>>>>> preview-Buttons. On my machine, in 4 and 2 deck mode without >>>> the >>>>>> mixer >>>>>>> there is some space where the mixxx logo is displayed. Would >>>> it >>>>>> be >>>>>>> possible to get the crossfader (and maybe the cue-buttons) >>>>>> there? That >>>>>>> would result in the big waveforms for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another option would be to make the waveforms (nearly) >>> screen- >>>> >>>>>> wide and >>>>>>> place pitch, EQ, Volume, Cue, on the left and right (as >>> pitch >>>>>> was in >>>>>>> 1.11). That would only leave crossfader, Master, Balance, >>>>>> HeadGain and >>>>>>> Pre/Main from the mixer-section what could eventually be >>>> placed >>>>>> like >>>>>>> proposed above where the mixxx logo is, in between of >>>>>> previewDeck and >>>>>>> maybe Mics. >>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck1] [Waveform 1] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck2] >>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 3] [------------------] >>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck3] [Waveform 2] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck4] >>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 4] [------------------] >>>>>>> [ Deck1 ] [ Deck2 ] [ Deck3 ] [ Deck4 ] >>>>>>> [PreviewDeck] [ Crossfade/Master ] [Microphones] >>>>>>> [Samplers] >>>>>>> [Effects] >>>>>>> [Library] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've done a quick sketch http://imgur.com/MruunAd >>>>>>> I've not rescaled anything except some little changes and >>>> this >>>>>> dosn't >>>>>>> get bigger than the current approach but gives much bigger >>>>>> waveforms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I am unsure if this is out of scope for LateNight and >>>> should >>>>>> better >>>>>>> be done in an other skin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Markus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Be: >>>>>>>> I tested it and it helps, but adding these options feels >>>> like >>>>>> putting >>>>>>>> bandages on a bigger design issues that are not very easy >>> to >>>>>> solve. >>>>>>>> There are so many buttons for skin options at the top that >>>> it's >>>>>> kinda >>>>>>>> overwhelming. However, I think trying to implement better >>>>>> solutions to >>>>>>>> those design challenges would take a lot of effort that >>>>>> shouldn't delay >>>>>>>> 1.12. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck >>> toggle] >>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2] >>>>>>>> waveform 1 >>>>>>>> waveform 2 >>>>>>>> waveform 3 >>>>>>>> waveform 4 >>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 06/06/2015 01:04 PM, Owen Williams wrote: >>>>>>>>> "thanks" as in, you tested it and it works well? I don't >>>> want >>>>>> to commit >>>>>>>>> without someone taking a look at it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 09:30 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:14 +0000 "Owen Williams" >>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I've posted a PR for some new LateNight display options. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>> running up against the limits of the skinning engine so >>> I >>>>>> can't do >>>>>>>>>>> a lot >>>>>>>>>>> more than this. But it makes it possible to >>> specifically >>>>>> select >>>>>>>>>>> the big >>>>>>>>>>> waveforms if you want them. It also makes it possible >>> to >>>>>> turn off >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> EQs to save some vertical space without eliminating the >>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>> mixer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks:) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 05:16 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Owen, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That mockup was poorly thought out re: mixer, sorry. I >>>>>> never use >>>>>>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>> decks :/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you aren't sick of my backseat driving yet, I just >>>> had >>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>> slightly radical idea - make LateNight's library >>> "toggle >>>>>> only", >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> that the "big library" button becomes the only way to >>>> see >>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't inhibit my personal use style, and it would >>>> free >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> entire screen for controls. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly a complimentary idea is to let the search >>> field >>>>>> remain >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> the main window, and have "big library" open with the >>>>>> results, >>>>>>>>>>>> either as you type or after hitting enter. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just for fun I've attached the Gimp .xcf layers I used >>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> mockup, which can be used in a paper-doll fashion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:01:55 +0000 "Owen Williams" >>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should come up with some sort of standard >>>>>> effect >>>>>>>>>>> rack >>>>>>>>>>>>> template that all the skins can share (and theme as >>>>>> necessary) >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure we can do that in time for release. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is currently not enough room for big waveforms >>>> and >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> mixer >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> also 4 decks. At low resolutions, it's already >>>> impossible >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> UI element, and the skin system is not flexible enough >>>> to >>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> every possible combination of elements. So the design >>>> is >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> best- >>>>>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>>>>> at letting people choose a good layout. Ultimately if >>>>>> there's >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> skin >>>>>>>>>>>>> design you want that isn't possible, it may be >>>> necessary >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>>>>>>> skin for it. For a while I was maintaining LateNight- >>>>>> Wide, >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> all four decks horizontally and the waveforms at the >>>> top, >>>>>>>>>>> spanning >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> width of the screen. Maybe it's time to resurrect >>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 18:40 +0000, re- >>>> cy...@hushmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using the LateNight resizeable skin and I >>>> have >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of issues: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we get a thing where the effects bank can >>>> optionally >>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimized, possibly back to the simplistic dials >>>> existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously? I'm running out of real estate on all of >>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> screens, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't currently have any hi-res ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Related, I kind of hate being forced to choose >>>> waveforms >>>>>> vs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> mixer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the loss of big waveforms in that skin to begin >>>> with. >>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me the reason they got 86'd was the effects bank >>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't file a bug because this is just my >>>>>>>>>>> experience/preference, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but thought you'd want feedback. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:53:57 +0000 "Owen Williams" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 15:29 -0400, RJ Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The skins are in kind of bad shape at the moment. >>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polish to bring them to design bar that we set >>>> pretty >>>>>> high >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.11.0. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mention skins are in a bad shape -- can you file >>>>>> bugs >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know about? 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