I was just watching my friend use Traktor with 4 decks and I noticed a 
nice feature I would like to have in Mixxx. When the library view is 
maximized, condensed views of the decks are shown on top. This would 
solve the minor issue I have when searching for tracks that I need to 
toggle away from the big library to see the BPM and key of the current 
track.

On 06/09/2015 12:05 AM, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
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> So there's the space beneath the left deck - where the preview deck
> lives. The space on the other side is empty. Can the micaux array
> get shrunk a bit and fit over there? That would save some space,
> plus be nice and symmetrical.
>
> ~RAWRR
>
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:34:41 +0000 re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:15:37 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann"
>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> If I recall it correct, it should help.
>>> This has also the benefit that you can see more tracks in the
>>> library.
>>>
>>
>> And whatever other controls as well... interesting.
>>
>>>
>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 23:10 schrieb re-cy...@hushmail.com:
>>>> Interesting re: CPU. What do you think about decreasing the
>>> height
>>>> but keeping the width re: CPU?
>>>>
>>>> ~RAWRR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:00:52 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann"
>>>> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>
>>>>> Nice mock-up.
>>>>
>>>>> In the past we had issues with four full size Waveforms
>>> because
>>>>> the CPU
>>>>> usage increases with the size.
>>>>> So I am afraid that view does not suit to be part of Mixxx
>>> default
>>>>> skin.
>>>>> IMHO we have already more then enough view options in the
>>>>> LateNight skin.
>>>>
>>>>> But there should be no problem with a recent devices.
>>>>> If this is the perfect skin for you use case, you are welcome
>>> to
>>>>> fork it.
>>>>> Thats the benefit of our skin engine.
>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 18:42 schrieb Markus Klösges:
>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck
>> toggle]
>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
>>>>>>> waveform 1
>>>>>>> waveform 2
>>>>>>> waveform 3
>>>>>>> waveform 4
>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]
>>>>>> I'm using Mixxx without controller without scratching and so
>>> on,
>>>>> just
>>>>>> simple crossfading with external mixer and so on.
>>>>>> I would also prefer the option to have the (almost) screen-
>>> wide
>>>>>> waveforms. I liked the 'old' 1.11 Latenight. Clearly that
>>>>> doesn't work
>>>>>> out for 4 decks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think one should not clutter a skin with dozens of config-
>>>>> options but
>>>>>> better fork that skin (or decide for one, better, solution
>>>>> maybe).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The option to get the bigLibrary is a real benefit for me
>> and
>>>>> results in
>>>>>> lesser need of a large library when everything is turned on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only reason I have the mixer turned on is the crossfader
>>> and
>>>>> the
>>>>>> preview-Buttons. On my machine, in 4 and 2 deck mode without
>>> the
>>>>> mixer
>>>>>> there is some space where the mixxx logo is displayed. Would
>>> it
>>>>> be
>>>>>> possible to get the crossfader (and maybe the cue-buttons)
>>>>> there? That
>>>>>> would result in the big waveforms for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another option would be to make the waveforms (nearly)
>> screen-
>>>
>>>>> wide and
>>>>>> place pitch, EQ, Volume, Cue, on the left and right (as
>> pitch
>>>>> was in
>>>>>> 1.11). That would only leave crossfader, Master, Balance,
>>>>> HeadGain and
>>>>>> Pre/Main from the mixer-section what could eventually be
>>> placed
>>>>> like
>>>>>> proposed above where the mixxx logo is, in between of
>>>>> previewDeck and
>>>>>> maybe Mics.
>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck1] [Waveform 1] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck2]
>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 3] [------------------]
>>>>>> [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck3] [Waveform 2] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck4]
>>>>>> [------------------] [Waveform 4] [------------------]
>>>>>> [ Deck1 ]       [ Deck2 ]     [ Deck3 ]      [ Deck4 ]
>>>>>> [PreviewDeck]   [   Crossfade/Master  ]  [Microphones]
>>>>>> [Samplers]
>>>>>> [Effects]
>>>>>> [Library]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've done a quick sketch http://imgur.com/MruunAd
>>>>>> I've not rescaled anything except some little changes and
>>> this
>>>>> dosn't
>>>>>> get bigger than the current approach but gives much bigger
>>>>> waveforms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I am unsure if this is out of scope for LateNight and
>>> should
>>>>> better
>>>>>> be done in an other skin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.06.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Be:
>>>>>>> I tested it and it helps, but adding these options feels
>>> like
>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> bandages on a bigger design issues that are not very easy
>> to
>>>>> solve.
>>>>>>> There are so many buttons for skin options at the top that
>>> it's
>>>>> kinda
>>>>>>> overwhelming. However, I think trying to implement better
>>>>> solutions to
>>>>>>> those design challenges would take a lot of effort that
>>>>> shouldn't delay
>>>>>>> 1.12.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck
>> toggle]
>>>>>>> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
>>>>>>> waveform 1
>>>>>>> waveform 2
>>>>>>> waveform 3
>>>>>>> waveform 4
>>>>>>> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/06/2015 01:04 PM, Owen Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>> "thanks" as in, you tested it and it works well?  I don't
>>> want
>>>>> to commit
>>>>>>>> without someone taking a look at it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 09:30 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:14 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've posted a PR for some new LateNight display options.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>>>>> running up against the limits of the skinning engine so
>> I
>>>>> can't do
>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>>> more than this.  But it makes it possible to
>> specifically
>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>>> the big
>>>>>>>>>> waveforms if you want them.  It also makes it possible
>> to
>>>>> turn off
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> EQs to save some vertical space without eliminating the
>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>> mixer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks:)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 05:16 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Owen,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That mockup was poorly thought out re: mixer, sorry. I
>>>>> never use
>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>>> decks :/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you aren't sick of my backseat driving yet, I just
>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>> slightly radical idea - make LateNight's library
>> "toggle
>>>>> only",
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> that the "big library" button becomes the only way to
>>> see
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't inhibit my personal use style, and it would
>>> free
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> entire screen for controls.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly a complimentary idea is to let the search
>> field
>>>>> remain
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the main window, and have "big library" open with the
>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>>>>> either as you type or after hitting enter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just for fun I've attached the Gimp .xcf layers I used
>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> mockup, which can be used in a paper-doll fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:01:55 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should come up with some sort of standard
>>>>> effect
>>>>>>>>>> rack
>>>>>>>>>>>> template that all the skins can share (and theme as
>>>>> necessary)
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure we can do that in time for release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is currently not enough room for big waveforms
>>> and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> mixer
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> also 4 decks.  At low resolutions, it's already
>>> impossible
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>> UI element, and the skin system is not flexible enough
>>> to
>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> every possible combination of elements.  So the design
>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> best-
>>>>>>>>>>>> effort
>>>>>>>>>>>> at letting people choose a good layout.  Ultimately if
>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> skin
>>>>>>>>>>>> design you want that isn't possible, it may be
>>> necessary
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> skin for it.  For a while I was maintaining LateNight-
>>>>> Wide,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>> all four decks horizontally and the waveforms at the
>>> top,
>>>>>>>>>> spanning
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> width of the screen.  Maybe it's time to resurrect
>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 18:40 +0000, re-
>>> cy...@hushmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using the LateNight resizeable skin and I
>>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of issues:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we get a thing where the effects bank can
>>> optionally
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimized, possibly back to the simplistic dials
>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously? I'm running out of real estate on all of
>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> screens,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't currently have any hi-res ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Related, I kind of hate being forced to choose
>>> waveforms
>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the loss of big waveforms in that skin to begin
>>> with.
>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me the reason they got 86'd was the effects bank
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't file a bug because this is just my
>>>>>>>>>> experience/preference,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but thought you'd want feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:53:57 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 15:29 -0400, RJ Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The skins are in kind of bad shape at the moment.
>>> They
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polish to bring them to design bar that we set
>>> pretty
>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.11.0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mention skins are in a bad shape -- can you file
>>>>> bugs
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know about?  I've been fixing the LateNight bugs as
>>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I think things are in a pretty good state there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We really need to get the Deere stuff merged in,
>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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