Am 21.08.2016 um 23:04 schrieb Be:
> Okay, I understand your proposal better. There are still differences in
> what I'm proposing. I propose that there always be a right pane focused;
> there would be no way to unset the focus.

If we decide for such a schema, a very important requirement is not 
fulfilled: "It should be possible to open a pane where it was, without 
thinking". Without that feature, it is a pain to DJ with two panes, try 
it out ;-). In addition the simple midi menu -> sub-menu navigation does 
not work, it will always use the same pane.

> There would not be any
> corresponding indicator on the feature icons because the new icon
> wouldn't create a remembered association. I think any method for
> creating a remembered association would get confusing. What is shown on
> screen at the present moment should very clearly indicate what will
> happen when an icon is pressed without the user having to remember what
> they did previously.

Yes right, that would be still an issue. This can be solved by temporary 
preselect the pane (show pointing hand) when hovering over a desired 
feature button.

> If I understand your proposal correctly, it would keep the current
> behavior of requiring the feature icon to be clicked again to open the
> left pane controls for a feature that already has a right track table
> open. IMO this is cumbersome and a little confusing.

It is slightly different (note: there is a pending bug in the current 
branch that prevent this):
Lets say you have already a playlist in the right pane.
You can preselect the left pane and select the desired second play-list 
from the playlist tree. Now you have two playlist side by side.
If you do not touch the preselect icon, the new playlist will replace 
the playlist in the right pane. As I understand this would be the same 
in your proposal.

> There should be a
> way to show the corresponding left pane controls directly from the right
> pane without having to move the cursor away to the feature icons. I
> propose that focusing a right pane with the new icon would open its
> corresponding left pane.

We cannot do this in the current concept, because this would prevent the 
two playlists side by side use case as outlined above.

> With the right pane focus decoupled from
> clicking in the track tables, there would not be the issue of annoying
> flickering of the left pane when clicking in different track tables.

I am fine with changing the LibrarySidebarExpanded only by the button 
bar. This avoids the mentioned flickering and allows the sorting to 
playlist use case as discussed earlier.

A track table focus dependent change of the LibrarySidebarExpanded will 
IMHO not add any additional value to the use. The Breadcrumb and the 
search bar should be sufficient to indicate the table state.


>
> On 08/21/2016 03:43 PM, Daniel Schürmann wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 21.08.2016 um 22:33 schrieb Be:
>>>>> * When focused, a feature's left pane is shown.
>>>>> * Clicking feature icons always opens the feature in the focused right 
>>>>> pane.
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand these suggestions. Is it different from my original
>>>> proposal?
>>>
>>> Yes. You suggested that the track table focus gets reset to the left
>>> track table when a new feature is opened. I think that behavior would be
>>> confusing. I propose that the focus only shifts when the user explicitly
>>> decides to do so by clicking the new icon. Clicking a feature icon would
>>> not affect where the focus is.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion. I actually meant the same. Every icon has its
>> own preselection pointing hand. If you preselect a pane, it is used for
>> the next button bar click. After that the preselection is reset and no
>> pane is preselected.
>> A directly flowing click on the button bar will open a feature like it
>> was seen before.
>> This is required for a midi push knob with back button where you cannot
>> preselect a pane.
>>
>>
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