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On Behalf Of Keith Vassallo
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:04 PM
To: Malta Linux User Group - general list
Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Re: Internet latency times
Hi Conrad,
I agree that for people who use the Internet lightly, any local ISP will
provide a good enough Internet service. However, when I mentioned "good
ISP"
I was referring to the needs of Graham, which I assumed (correctly) needed
to make heavy use of the service. This is the reason why I doubt a local
ISP
will provide him, or myself, with a good enough service for our needs -
unless you're ready to pay of course. I have in fact contacted several ISPs
trying to get on a business connection - which supposedly has better
service
at a higher price. However, even though I'm registered as self employed and
have a VAT number, nobody will give me a business connection. Also, regular
home users are not able to get a business connection.
I personally don't download any illegal software what-so-ever. If many
people did the same, then not a fourth of the people who complain about the
Internet would complain. However, I do download a lot of Linux ISOs, Gentoo
updates, program demos etc..., even as part of my work. It is for this
reason that I simply can't work with bandwidth limits.
In the UK, the trend is now to remove limits. Both AOL and Telewest provide
an ADSL service with no limits for £14.99 a month. Of course, I'm not
expecting local ISPs to be able to compete (that's insane!) however, this
trend of offering an unlimited service is now spreading throught several
European countries, including France, Sweden etc...
etc...
You also mention that we should not subscribe to ISPs of local monopolies.
Can you tell me how? Since Datastream is now Maltanet, which is an ISP, and
which is the company selling bandwidth to other ISPs, no matter what ISP I
choose I always end up paying Maltanet/Datastream.
Basically, if everyone switched away from Maltanet, Maltanet would still be
in business. One would have to switch to an ISP which only buys bandwidth
from Vodafone... I don't know of any ISP which does this myself. I'd be
glad
to find out.
What might be interesting is that now several local ISPs are researching,
or
testing, wireless broadband connection services, with some ISPs offering up
to 6Mbit. We'll have to wait and see.
Keith
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 09:38 +0100, Conrad Laus wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> I`ve been working with an ISP for the past six years and I have the
> inside version of the facts. Your comment about "good ISP" and "Malta"
> being a paradox is not correct. From my experience different people
> have different expectations and no isp is able to cater for all the
> different tastes and desires. If you think that this only applies for
> Malta then you are wrong.
>
> Broadband limits by Volume started in other countries a number of
> years before they started in Malta. Telephone support provided by most
> large ISPs in other countries is on expensive pay by the minute phone
numbers.
> In Malta this has not been the case.
>
> Then again, keep in mind that in other countries, Liberalisation and
> real competition in the Telecoms sector has started around 10 years ago.
> In Malta we have not yet started for all is still controlled
> directly or indirectly by the old monopolies.
>
> At the end of the day, it is known that levels of service in any
> sector only improve when real competition is promoted. Government has
> little interest at the moment in promoting this for he would be damaging
his
> own company and those of political friends. As users, I think we
> should promote this by not subscribing with the ISPs of the old
monopolies.
>
> This way, the non monopoly funded ISPS will grow stronger and be able
> to provide better services.
>
> Cheers
>
> Conrad
>
> Keith Vassallo wrote:
> > Hi Shawn,
> >
> > IMHO, "good ISP" and "Malta" are quite a paradox. Anyway, I've tried
> > several ISPs:
> >
> > Maltanet: Great speeds, but with a 12GB download limit (depends on
> > which plan you choose)
> > Waldonet: I was with Waldonet for two months. Phoned for support
> > four times. Nevery got a reply. Switched to another ISP. (This is
> > just my experience though, not saying Waldonet have bad support).
> > Bellnet: They say the speeds are quite good. A friend of mine
> > complains that he has no idea what limits his bandwidth has, since
> > Bellnet use the Datastream (ehem, I should say maltanet) lavender
> > service, the last time I checked. Also, if you want to setup a home
> > server, forget about bellnet.
> > Keyworld: No download limits, but you only get decent speeds at night.
> > I'm supposed to have a 2Mbit connection but download with
> > half-megabit speeds.
> > Melitanet, your current ISP: Don't even think about them.
> >
> > Again, this is only my experience and opinion, your experience may
vary.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 06:37 +0100, Shawn Cassar wrote:
> >
> >>Sorry people to jutt in like this. I am new to the list but have
> >>been following linux and it's developments since I was a kid, have 3
> >>comps at home (including my lappy) running Mandrake only (no dual
boot).
> >>
> >>I am seeing you talk about isp ping rate, I too am with Melitanet
> >>and I want to change ASAP cause the service and performance is
> >>terrible, plus they are charging me Lm21 per month for nothing.
> >>
> >>So, in your opinions which are the best 2 isps right now? (One with
> >>download limits and the Other without).
> >>
> >>I have been told to either switch to Bellnet or to Waldonet.
> >>Anybody has experience about any of these 2 during peak hours?
> >>
> >>Thanks alot
> >>
> >>
> >>>Waldonet offers unlimited downloads too. A bit on the expensive
> >>>side though..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Keyworld offers unlimited downloads, actually (I dont work at
> >>>>Keyworld hehe).
> >>>>
> >>>>On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 04:08 -0800, Graham Petley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The response time is quite variable. Recent pings give:
> >>>>>$ ping -c 10 kh.google.com (about 1245)
> >>>>>--- kh.l.google.com ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted,
> >>>>>10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9034ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
> >>>>>143.385/188.061/399.220/87.340 ms
> >>>>>
> >>>>>$ ping -c 10 kh.google.com (about 12.55)
> >>>>>--- kh.l.google.com ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted,
> >>>>>10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9039ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
> >>>>>80.242/85.977/89.495/2.958 ms
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In fact, this morning Google Earth, whch was simply not
> >>>>>responding yesterday evening, was working fine. I suppose 20:45
> >>>>>in the evening is a peak time to California. I use Melita Cable
> >>>>>as my ISP. I would shift if anyone offered unlimited downloads,
> >>>>>but I don't think anyone does.
> >>>>>My web site is still slow :-(
> >>>>>$ ping -c 10 vlsitechnology.org (about 12.56)
> >>>>>--- vlsitechnology.org ping statistics --- 10 packets
> >>>>>transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9019ms rtt
> >>>>>min/avg/max/mdev = 211.454/215.173/222.490/3.495 ms
> >>>>>
> >>>>>- Graham Petley
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