Amen.
Keith
On 14 Nov 2008, at 22:41, Anton Xuereb wrote:
I know im gonna sound like a real spoil-sport but i feel that i need
to intervene as probably the most avid gamer on this list..
YOU ARE WRONG.
I know that sounds harsh but im fed up with optimists trying to make
linux appear what it's not. It is completely pointless marketing
Linux as a gaming platform when graphics card drivers (both AMD/ATI
and Nvidia) are still so much lower in performance when compared to
their windows counter-parts. What you are running are cod2 and ET
servers which are of no interest to any gamer in Malta or anywhere.
Games like ET and CoD2 do NOT receive regular updates. ET hasn't
received anything for over a year and a half and the game is
practically dead in Malta except for a few stragglers who dont have
enough cash to upgrade their PCs. Don't get me wrong, I love both
CoD2 and ET however the fact remains that the games are neither
taxing on the hardware or recent.
Secondly, only two of the games you mentioned has native linux
binaries which means we will have to run them through an
abstractions layer like Cedega or worse WINE. If you have tried
running any sort of game through wine you'll know that performance
is never as good as it's windows counter part and is no winning
point in the argument of why gamers should change over to Linux.
Let me make a list:
ET: Old and dying, none of the remaining tournaments are giving the
game much importance and too few clans are signing up, killing the
game even more. However this remains a good game that runs natively
on linux.
CoD2: No linux binaries and has to be run through an abstraction
layer resulting in lower performance and more problems (tried
running cod2 original with teh cd check on anyone ?) Dead abroad,
still alive in malta. ( Time to move on, CoD5 has been released :O )
Counter strike: I guess you mean 1.6 here which is very old
(although still one of the most played games around the world)
however it has no native linux binaries and steam support on linux
has been sketchy at teh very best (I would know I installed it)
Unreal: Which one ? I'm guessing you mean UT2K4 here which does have
Linux binaries but runs with lower performance than it's windows
counterpart (probably due to lack of good gfx drivers) Of course you
might mean UT3 for which we were promised native linux binaries but
were never released due to "legal issues" Also both games have
really no value in Malta and abroad.
Doom and Quake 1/2/3 and to an extent 4: they all share some version
of the same engine (a very old precursor in q1/2/3) and a more
recent one in q4 and doom3. Good games but dead in Malta.
WoW: It's funny, I installed WoW on my Linux and ran it.. It ran,
for around 30 seconds during which the game was slow and most if not
all of my graphics settings were reduced to a minimum. Try to target
a mob and it crashes. Love it
So here I am, True Linux believer, evangelist and pure breed of Xion
(sorry scratch the last part) but also a hardcore gamer, Manager of
Project Eversio (http://www.eversio.info/about_us.php) and organiser
and Server Administrator of several prominent LAN parties in Malta
telling you that trying to show off gaming on Linux right now is a
very bad idea. I should be at CampusLAN with my pc running Arch
Linux (If i get xserver to run well again :O ) and I do have ET
installed ( and i can get painkiller running also ) and we can test
some of my points if you wish. Accept Linux for what it is, a great
desktop system, but not a gaming OS; Not until we get proper up to
scratch drivers that run well on Linux, and good support from game
producers for OpenGL with native Linux binaries will we be able to
show off Linux as a gaming platform.
I rest my case and return to leveling my 71 orc Shaman.
Mewt
P.S. Sorry if I came out a bit strong, but i was stuck in a queue to
get into WoW and that's guaranteed to piss anyone off...
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Shawn Cassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
First of all the games I mentioned aren't old games.
In the company I work I'm one of the "heads" of our online gaming
department. We have 3 servers (running CentOS Linux) specifically
for COD2 players and till today we were discussing to add another
virtual machine since we aren't even keeping up with the demand.
Games like ET and COD2 have regular updates, and are highly sought
after. My idea with the LAN Party is that - maltese gamers mostly
play COD2 and ET. Foreign players tend to go more towards ET and
Counter Strike and Unreal. And all these run native on Linux.
Games like Doom and to a lesser extent Quake have lost their heat,
but it shouldn't be a problem getting those working.
ho run WoW and S
As for MMORPG I know many people wtar Wars Galaxies via WINE, and
EVE-Online has pseudo-native support through Cadega.
The real hard part is getting a linux gaming rig in time for the LAN
Fest, assuming that ITSA executive committe members (not lan admin
committe like me, cause we are more or less helps) don't mind...but
I see Mr Marc Tanti is here so he could guide us :P
In true madness spirit I sacrificed my Solaris Server (which I use
at home for self-learning mostly) and took out the HDD. So, if you
want this PC has 4GB Corsair Dominator RAM, 2.66GHz Quad Core CPU
and an ATI HD 25xx something gfx. If maybe during the lan party we
could get a > 160GB hdd we could even do a demo install of linux and
a particular FPS.
We will further this discussion and other ideas at University on
Thursday hopefully, cause I don't want to trash the mailing list
(sorry :P )
Shawn
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:08:14 +0100
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni Students
>
> Problem is...that "showing off" old games really isn't likely to
> impress users, isn't it? Sure, it's a rebuttal to the myth that
Linux
> cannot play any games at all, but it still exposes a weakpoint in
Linux,
> or a lack of quality - as you prefer ;)
>
> Still, at least you can still get your gaming fix on Linux, which
is a
> good thing. I also suggest Doom 3, Quake 4, Quake 3, maybe an
MMORPG or
> too..WoW should also run on wine - never tried it myself though.
>
> Shawn Cassar wrote:
> > Yep, agree on that, excellent idea.
> >
> > Also, it just struck me, the following weekend (21st - 23rd)
there is
> > the ITSA Lan Fest. Basically taking the idea of Ubuntu gamers (and
> > SuSE gamers as well :P ) maybe we can ask some of the ITSA
committe
> > guys (in theory I'm part of the admin committe) so that we can
do a
> > linux install fest/linux gaming during the lan fest.
> >
> > Would be a great opportunity to actually get an idea of gamers and
> > kind of games they would rather see on *nix systems. Maybe if we
> > could get an average gaming rig (nothing big, even something
with a
> > 1.6GHz and a 7200 GFX agp) and put linux on it, install a few
games
> > (such as ET, COD2, Unreal which run natively on linux) and "show
off"
> > gaming on linux.
> >
> > I'll try to bring it up during the meeting.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:03:19 +0100
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni Students
> >
> > Yep that would also be a good possibility, I forgot about that
(already).
> >
> >
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