Many thanks, Abakus, for your long post and your thoughts about grammar and language-learning! I am keeping your advice firmly in mind. I may well try to copy what you have done or do something similar.
Thanks again, Ed On 28 October 2015 at 21:01, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Ed, > > I'd like to share, how I am learning Turkish grammar and other things (by > the way with German on the question side of the card ;), only for the > grammar part though. The other cards are Turkish-English). At the beginning > I only learned vocabs, after that I created three cards for each grammar > rule. For each Turkish case (Accusative, Dative,...) I created one card > containing a table, which summerizes it's grammer rules. I created another > card, which lists, when to use the case. And another card, which lists all > the preposition of the case. > > To speed up the creating of cards I use to copied vocab/grammar lists from > the internet to text files. That way I could create hundreds of cards > fairly quickly. To do this is a little bit tricky though, because you have > to insert tabs in between the questions and answers. > > @Peter: It would be very helpful, if you could use other separators > instead, because it's tricky to insert tabs automaticly, for example with > Find-And-Replace. > > I started to learn Turkish about 1 year ago and have learned about 800 > vocabs and the Turkish cases so far (2-3 vocabs a day) . Until now, I did > not start to learn sentences/tenses yet, I must confess. > > In my opinion spaced repetition is most useful for short questions and > short answers. Therefore I would start with vocabs and things that are not > sentences (for example the cases and tenses), until you know the words used > in the sentences by heart. > > One of my friends learned to talk French fluently in one year. She was > living in France during this year and she didn't know any French vocabs nor > grammar at the beginning of her stay. I had 7 years of French in school and > could not talk any better then her after staying the same amount of time in > France. > > My self-experiment is it to learn about 3000 Turkish words (about 90% of > the words used in daily conversations), the grammer (not sentences!) and > then I want to find a tandem partner, start building sentences and talking. > I think this is the quickest way, you can learn a language, when you are > not in the country, where this language is spoken. My guess is, that you > can learn to speak a language fluently in about 3 to 4 years of spaced > repetition and with finding a tandem partner. > > Children know about 5000 word, when they are 6 years old ( > http://logopaedieimteam.de/index.php?id=96 <-- Here you can learn some > German ;)). Apparently they learn about as many word (2.3) as I do per day. > :) > > If there are some people out there, who want to learn Turkish and talk > English, then I would really like to exchange cards with you. > French-Turkish or German-Turkish would be great too. :) > > I really like Mnemosyne, because of it's simplicity and the nice community > (this mailing list). > > Ok, Ed, I hope, this was interesting to you. > > Greetings, > > Abakus > > > > > > Am 28.10.2015 um 09:24 schrieb Peter Bienstman: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I suggest you play around with both programs and then pick the one you > like best. > > > > > > > > For Mnemosyne, I can say that I tried to make a piece of software that > is as intuitive as possible to pick up for the non-specialist, while still > providing lots of flexibility. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed S > > Sent: 27 October 2015 19:50 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Who has learned German grammar using > Mnemosyne? > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Peter, for your personal response. I especially appreciate > it because I know how busy you are. > > > > To make the cloze questions and answers is a considerable investment of > my time. Now I am faced with the decision of whether to use Mnemosyne or > Anki for this task, the two best flashcard softwares that I have found. > > > > Is there anything special about Mnemosyne that makes it better suited to > this task? > > > > Hope you don't mind me asking this question :) > > > > Thanks again, Ed > > > > On 26 Oct 2015 12:15, "Peter Bienstman" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two approaches I’ve used in the past. One is simply to have > a question to recite the correct grammar table as answer. Another is cloze > deletion exercises: as question you have an example sentence with the > correct ending removed, which you then have to fill in as the answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed > > > Sent: 26 October 2015 12:47 > > > To: mnemosyne-proj-users <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Who has learned German grammar using > Mnemosyne? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm trying to learn things like adjectival endings and definite > articles in German. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone used Mnemosyne successfully to learn German grammar? 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