Popsider - as soon as I saw your name, I thought that you might have a handle 
on this one! 

For what its worth, here's my brief potted history of the casual movement 
(errors and omissions excepted!).

Different parts of  England lay claim to being the originators of this 
movement (arguably the most underground movement of them all, although the 
current UK Northern/Modern soul scene may be a contender). 

London, Manchester and Liverpool can all make this claim, though for my money 
Liverpool probably stakes the strongest. 

Before continuing I must stress that to my mind, the "casual" movement and 
football hooliganism are inextricably linked and I don't believe that one can 
ever be exclusive to the other. 

A bit of background; in the late 70s, a huge proportion football-going lads 
of a certain age - say 15-25 - were what were known as hooligans. In contrast 
to today's hooligan numbers, there were an enormous amount of young men who 
were "at it". 

These men wore the fashions of the day which were largely skinhead-led, Green 
MA1s, denim jackets, jeans, DM boots, loafers etc. and also often wore club 
colours. 

During this period, while the country was in economic recession, Liverpool 
Football Club were sweeping aside all around them on the pitch and playing, 
and winning, regularly in Europe. Many of Liverpool's young hooligan 
following would travel extensively around Europe watching their team and 
would shoplift vast quantities of unheard of clothing labels (the more exotic 
and exclusive, the better) as well as seeking out new and unknown brands of 
training shoes. 

Back in England, these new items of clothing were real trophy pieces to the 
Scousers (aka people from Liverpool, Merseyside), who mocked the fans of 
teams from all over England who would arrive in Liverpool in their tired old 
Skinhead clobber. 

These other fans were not slow to pick up the scent of what was going on and 
soon the epicentre of this burgeoning new cult moved to London. 

The term "casual" was widely adopted across England and Scotland, although 
there is some evidence that the Liverpool fans were defined as "Scallies" and 
those in Manchester as "Perries". 

London, being the capital city, and the economic and fashion centre, offered 
the greatest choices of labels and rare clothing and having the highest 
concentration of football clubs, and therefore football "hooligans", rapidly 
eclipsed Liverpool as the centre of this underground movement. (Liverpool 
meanwhile, unable now to compete, turned to a stylish "scruff" look). 

Put simply, although the media were well aware of the football hooligan 
"problem", they failed to notice its metamorphosis into a fully- blown cult. 

The clothing labels which came to prominence at this time (1981ish) were 
Pringle and Lyle & Scott golfing jumpers, Adidas rain jackets, Lois jeans 
(sometimes with the side seams split by an inch and a half!), Fila, Tachinni 
and Ellesse tracksuit tops and jumpers (hard to believe now, at this time 
these labels were extremely hard to get hold of in the UK and expensive too) 
and the trainers - Adidas Forest Hills, Diadora Borg Elite, Nike Ace, Adidas 
Stan Smiths etc etc) and the look had to be right. This scene was incredibly 
fast-moving - every match day demanded a new item of clothing, and as time 
went on the look became even more "out there" with deerstalker hats, golfing 
umbrellas and patchwork leather jackets being the order of the day. 

This continued until at least 85, where the Heysel disaster caused a lot of 
casuals to re-evaluate their activities as English clubs were banned from 
Europe. 

The next decade saw a real slow-down in "casual activity" as a lot of lads on 
the scene discovered dance music, clubbing and ecstasy. 

Although there were still "football casuals" the numbers had dropped quite 
dramatically - much of this was due to a lot of lads getting married and 
settling down and there were few young hooligans coming through to take their 
place. 

With a few exceptions - Holland v England in Rotterdam 1993 and any England 
trip to Poland - football-related violence was on the wane. The introduction 
of Sky TV money to the game, all-seater stadia and the "family atmosphere" 
promoted by the powers-that-be all contributed; not to mention the 
introduction of special police units to tackle this situation. 

Fast-forward to 95ish and suddenly there is a resurgence - of sorts. Labels 
favoured from then to now include the ubiquitous Stone Island, CP Company, 
Hugo Boss, Prada Sport, Dries Van Noten, Patrick Cox, Paul Smith, Paul & 
Shark and still in favour some 20 years on Lacoste, Burberry and Aquascutum. 
Today, the scene, has an undercurrent of violence, although in truth there 
are very few incidents of note.

Further reading:    The Naughty Nineties - Martin King and Martin Knight
Hoolifan - Martin King and Martin Knight
Guvnors - Mickey Francis
        Barmy Army - Dougie Brimson
        Knowing the Score - Gary Armstong
        Bloody Casuals - Jay Allan
        St George in My Heart - Colin Johnson
        We Fear no Foe - Colin Johnson
        Bring out your riot gear - CS Lewis
        John King - The Football Factory
        John King - England Away
        
Websites    www.in-theknow.co.uk
www.commonpeoplebooks.co.uk (great message board, plough back through the 
archives)
        www.terracebanter.com
        www.terraceretro.co.uk


    





In a message dated Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:23:46  Greenwich Mean Time, Tom 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

<< 
> Some of the Madchester bands (Stone Roses, Happy Mondays) and their fans 
> 
> - sort of football fans with designer clothes - is sometimes refered to 
> as casuals by some in the UK. 
> 
> Richard
> www.uppers.net

In England, casuals were an early to mid 1980s thing.  Basically the 
term used to describe football hooligans that liked designer gear, 
originally often sports wear but it pretty soon moved on from that.  
Some football hooligans in England tend to be quite organised and some 
have their own name for their little group - for example in Derby they 
were (are) called the DLF or Derby Lunatic Fringe, in Leicester the Baby 
Squad etc.    

I wouldn't have said they have anything to do with Madchester.  The 
exact fashions they were into would depend on where they were from (what 
team they followed) and the year you are talking about.  The term isn't 
used so much now but the organised football hooligans - or at least an 
element of them - still follow a similar line in clothes. 
 
Whether that has anything to do with what these people in the boiler 
(whatever that is) were talking about I don't know.  

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