[Modus] Off Topic

[Michael B. Smith]

Mike -   I'd love to know who "they" were, did you get it in writing, and can I get it in writing too?   If I can cut $1,900 of monthly SPLA (Service Provider Licensing Agreement) costs out of my overhead, by spending $400 a year on an Action Pack, I'd love that. It's $22,000 in expenses that would fall straight to my bottom line as profit.   Ken Fiore, who is the person responsible for ISP/SPLA contracts at Microsoft, might disagree with whomever "they" are. I'm at home, and don't have his business card with me, but if you wanna give HIM a call, and get his answers in writing/email, I can post his telephone number on Monday.   Honestly, I'm not meaning to be contentious -- but getting a clear answer on Microsoft licensing, especially in gray areas like defining "production use" versus "internal use", is not always an easy thing to do. Requesting to get items in writing, with references to EULA's or other licensing documents tends to throw requests WAY "up the chain of command" -- and provides different answers once you get it in writing.   Michael -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mike Herrera Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic Those are good points, however, we use the action pack here and to be sure that we would be running legal we verified that it was alright to run the action pack in a live environment as an ISP and they replied that this was perfectly ok.   Regards, Mike Herrera Access One Online Svcs. http://www.access-one.com Attend Peering Conference for ISP's, April 23-24, 2004, Dallas Texas Full info: http://www.peercon.org   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic Careful.   Read the license before you put any public website or application, open to the internet, on the license provided by an action pack, an MSDN license, or a Microsoft Certified Partner license.   The US action pack license does NOT include an Internet Connector or a processor license for SQL. It includes a license to SQL server and 10 CALs (watch for wrappage in the URL below):   http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/ap_license_plus.aspx   Note the specific restriction:   the Subscription includes a non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free, terminable license to make and use the number of authorized copies of the Microsoft software products (“Products”) set forth in the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription Product Licenses table in subsection (c), below, for internal business use, demonstration, testing, education, and evaluation purposes only (“Product Licenses”).   Internal business use does not include being the back-end for a website/webapp.   And, I would point out specific to the original question asked in this thread: the Action Pack license doesn't include downgrade rights.   Larry