[Modus] Off Topic

[Jim Barstow]

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-- Not that I anticipate the opinions of anyone in this group being changed -- but the initial reaction of my local MS-TAM about using the action pack in this manner was "hell no". He further pointed out that using (again, specifically SQL) in this manner required a per-processor license, not a basic license plus CALs. -- Sounds like he wanted to sell you a processor license.  This has been an ongoing debate for years with many companies.  I recall in VOPMail 5 we had a similar issue using McAfee with our roll-your-own virus scanner and how many client licenses were required.   When I talked to our MS VAR, which happens to understand a lot about how our mail system works, he was quite certain that it would fall under 1 CAL for the mail server, and 1 CAL for the webmail server.  He thought there might be a few more CALs for the mail server in MS eye, because of the totally seperate services accessing that license, so modusscan might need a CAL, SMTP, POP3, etc.     Sr. Network Engineer Diversified Solutions and Services, Inc. 22645 Canal Road, Suite B Orange Beach, AL 36561 (251)980-8968 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic Not that I anticipate the opinions of anyone in this group being changed -- but the initial reaction of my local MS-TAM about using the action pack in this manner was "hell no". He further pointed out that using (again, specifically SQL) in this manner required a per-processor license, not a basic license plus CALs.   We are running the question up his management ladder.   By the way, MSDN licensing depends on how you get it. If you order MSDN licensing through MSDN, then indeed it is as you describe. If you get MSDN by being a Microsoft Certified Partner, the license is quite different (much more relaxed).   I guess it all comes down to documentation and reasonable effort. My investigation has shown one thing about action pack licensing and your investigation (and that of others) has shown another. As long as you can show (in U.S. courts, at least) that you performed adequate due diligence to using licensing legally, if it ever comes to that, you'll be covered for at least the penalty phase. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suneel Jhangiani Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic Let’s start by saying that the MSDN Licensing model is different to that off the Action Pack. Firstly, the only item in an MSDN subscription that can be shared by multiple users is the MSDN Library, all the other software is licensed to the person whose subscription it is. Some applications in the MSDN subscription come with a multiple install license but the overall consideration is that the licenses included are for development (the products are not to be used for production or internal use). From memory I believe that there is an exception for Microsoft Windows, Office and Visual Studio as these can be used by the subscriber in what we would call production use (however, in most cases this would be used to perform the development and hence could be construed as development use).   The Action Pack is a different offering and is designed to allow the partner the ability to demonstrate and promote Microsoft products. A key factor in this is that a company can only obtain one subscription per location and that whilst an individual might be named the company is the actual subscriber.   I posted the original message recommending the Action Pack as I had heard about it from MikeH and a few others on another discussion list. I also thought about the implications and had spoken to our lawyer about it. We decided that the terminology used in the Microsoft Action Pack Agreement allowed us to cover ourselves by implying that ‘Internal use’ constituted using the software in the operation of our business. As an ISP the operation of your business is to provide services to customers and if we utilize the software to aid in the provision off these services then it could be argued that this is ‘Internal use’. As far as we are concerned for the purposes of this particular discussion we are talking about using the SQL Server in conjunction with Modus Mail. In our opinion the SQL Server is necessary for us internally, we could use the Access DB or other ODBC mechanisms in Modus Mail, but since the database would always be internal to us it should be covered by the Action Pack license.     Regards,   Suneel Jhangiani Inter-Computer Technology Ltd.   Modus3 Bug Buster Co-MVP Never have I seen a word as accurate as politics. Poly meaning many, and tic being a blood-sucking thing.     From: SiftX Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2004 08:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic   I would run this through you legal department or by your lawyer ASAP.  I am absolutely certain you are in violation of MS licensing.  I went through this on a consulting project about 6 years ago.  The Director of MIS (whom we fired) installed just about everything from their MSDN subscription.  Long story short they were 250k behind on their licensing based on the install base of the products in their enviroment.  MS was made aware of this and sent a cease and desist or PAY.  FYI they don't give discounts to get you to go legit :)   Thank you,   SiftX Support 866-891-0086 808-874-8916 Fax www.siftx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Suneel Jhangiani To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: [Modus] Off Topic   An MS Action Pack is the cheapest solution to a licensed copy. In the UK an action pack is 199 UK Pounds (about $250) and includes licenses for about $16,000 worth off MS Software (including MS SQL 2000). As this is an annual payment it includes all the latest versions.   ----- There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who are good with words, and those who are... erm... thingy   (--------------------------------)         {(((((( (     Suneel Jhangiani           )        /_  _  ) (    Technical Director          )       ( .  .   ) ( Inter-Computer Technology Ltd. )        ( /   ) (----------------------------------oOOo------------oOOo----) ( 40 James Street                Tel: +44 (0) 20 7486 9601 ) ( London W1U 1EU                 Fax: +44 (0) 7050 678 978 ) ( United Kingdom               Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]     ) (             Website: http://www.inctech.com              ) (----------------------------------------------------------) From: Admin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2004 22:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Modus] Off Topic   We borrowed the media from a friend and ordered licenses.  So, we basically paid $1400 for two pieces of cardboard :-)  You can buy legal licenses through pricewatch.com distributors.     AK Internet Less expensive and more personal than Earthlink, AOL, and MSN 641 E. 10th Avenue Bowling Green, KY  42101 270-793-0647 voice 270-843-7532 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]   ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Essary To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: [Modus] Off Topic   Howdy.... Regarding W2K and SQL7 Does anyone know if its possible and/or if their is a problem running SQL7 on a W2K server ? Does anyone have a low cost source for a copy of SQL2K ? Larry

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