* This is the modus mailing list * I think the internal vs. external or production is the area of indecision in the matter of "legality" for an ISP.
For an ISP, internal would be running a database that controls access via a modemserver, for instance. Nothing in that scenario "touches" a customer. Web servers (Rodopi type apps where the customer can use them?, your web site or client web sites), mail servers (Vircom?) might be a different case. They do directly interface with the public. Running an Exchange server or MS SMTP available to the public would sure be hard to call "internal". Frankly I don't think M$ likes ISPs enough to let all ISPs use, all their stuff, all they want, for $300 a year. It is more like a foot in the door thing to promote use of their products internally, so that they will be recomended to clients for purchase. Great topic for meeting below. :-) Cary Fitch Attend Peering Conference for ISP's, April 23-24, 2004, Dallas Texas Full info: http://www.peercon.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Clemons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:08 AM Subject: [Modus] Off Topic > * This is the modus mailing list * > > > The Action Pack licensing will not cover or replace the SPLA licensing in any > capacity. You are comparing apples and oranges as far as what they are > intended for. For each business it depends on your needs as to which licensing > plan best fits you. As far as the Action Pack is concerned it is meant to be > used on Internal Business systems or Development machines not hosted or > systems available to the public. > If you merely need SQL Server licensing there is not any reason to use SPLA > licensing when you can outright purchase the software and licenses you need > for less money. If you provide hosted Exchange Server solutions for customers, > or dedicated servers and provide the software as a part of your pricing then > SPLA might be your best licensing plan. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/licensing/spla.asp > > > http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/ap > _license_plus.aspx > > > > > Quoting "Michael B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Mike - > > > > I'd love to know who "they" were, did you get it in writing, and can I get it > > in writing too? > > > > If I can cut $1,900 of monthly SPLA (Service Provider Licensing Agreement) > > costs out of my overhead, by spending $400 a year on an Action Pack, I'd love > > that. It's $22,000 in expenses that would fall straight to my bottom line as > > profit. > > > > Ken Fiore, who is the person responsible for ISP/SPLA contracts at Microsoft, > > might disagree with whomever "they" are. I'm at home, and don't have his > > business card with me, but if you wanna give HIM a call, and get his answers > > in writing/email, I can post his telephone number on Monday. > > > > Honestly, I'm not meaning to be contentious -- but getting a clear answer on > > Microsoft licensing, especially in gray areas like defining "production use" > > versus "internal use", is not always an easy thing to do. Requesting to get > > items in writing, with references to EULA's or other licensing documents > > tends to throw requests WAY "up the chain of command" -- and provides > > different answers once you get it in writing. > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > Mike Herrera > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:00 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Modus] Off Topic > > > > > > Those are good points, however, we use the action pack here and to be sure > > that we would be running legal we verified that it was alright to run the > > action pack in a live environment as an ISP and they replied that this was > > perfectly ok. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike Herrera > > Access One Online Svcs. > > http://www.access-one.com <http://www.access-one.com/> > > > > Attend Peering Conference for ISP's, > > April 23-24, 2004, Dallas Texas > > Full info: http://www.peercon.org <http://www.peercon.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Michael B. Smith > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Modus] Off Topic > > > > > > Careful. > > > > Read the license before you put any public website or application, open to > > the internet, on the license provided by an action pack, an MSDN license, or > > a Microsoft Certified Partner license. > > > > The US action pack license does NOT include an Internet Connector or a > > processor license for SQL. It includes a license to SQL server and 10 CALs > > (watch for wrappage in the URL below): > > > > > http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/ap > _license_plus.aspx > > > > Note the specific restriction: > > > > the Subscription includes a non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free, > > terminable license to make and use the number of authorized copies of the > > Microsoft software products ("Products") set forth in the Microsoft Action > > Pack Subscription Product Licenses table in subsection (c), below, for > > internal business use, demonstration, testing, education, and evaluation > > purposes only ("Product Licenses"). > > > > Internal business use does not include being the back-end for a > > website/webapp. > > > > And, I would point out specific to the original question asked in this > > thread: the Action Pack license doesn't include downgrade rights. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > ** > To unsubscribe, send an Email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body or subject line. ** To unsubscribe, send an Email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body or subject line.
