weird.  So I remembered in the past with venv issues I could try deleting 
and reinstalling packages.  That worked. Nevermind.

one other question though.  I plan on doing some work with flask-socketIO 
and other packages - I know socketIO doesnt work with modwsgi.  so I will 
switch my server to nginx for that.  I noticed you cant use apache and 
nginx at the same time on same server without conflicts.  would I be able 
to have a website running flask or django applications alongside say a 
wordpress php app, all served by nginx on same server?

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