here's my thoughts: First, if the restructuring etc hadn't happened, you would have had a great product by now, with 3 months of experience in it, which is good. So I doubt you can blame the MonoTouch/MD people (ie, Miguel and co) for that (which you didn't....)
Which leads me on to the other one: while Miguel has said he was in the process of spinning Mono* out of Novell from late last year, I suspect they didn't know anything about the firings and general product killing until slightly before we did - I would guess, tho I dont KNOW, he might have known at most 30 mins before _everyone else_ at Mono* did, which would be about 24 hours before all of us found out. This is only 'cos he was a VP of something. Being he got fired too, I suspect he didn't. I've been thru an acquission and subsequent shutdown of a team once, and generally, only the top management (in our case, our dev/country manager, hence why I suspect Miguel might have found out about it slightly before everyone else there) find out before hand, and usually only slightly before as they have to have a little time to think about it and answer questions from the rest of the staff. But not always. But I seriously doubt that when the half-price deal was put into motion, anyone on the MD/MT team knew what was going to happen. I believe (maybe wrongly?) that they acted in good faith. Now, attachmate/Novell.... thats another story. Worst. Customer. Service. and. communication. EVER. Hence why the class action would be on novell/attachmate, and not the MT/MD team. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 08:14, Pete Macko <[email protected]> wrote: > I dont mind the monotouch part as much as getting suckered into buying the > pile of shit that is/was monodroid. Shame on me for trying to financially > support a decent idea - should have waited for it to age a bit before busting > out my credit card. $199 for a worthless broken steaming pile of dung. More > than one person at Asstachmate must have known the real story before they > cooked up the 'we are showing our gratitude to our loyal customers by > offering monodroid at half off' (I.e. "Here is our chance to rectally invade > the mono community one more time before they figure out what a bunch of pond > scum douching asshats we are") marketing campaign. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2011, at 2:56, Nic Wise <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For me it's actually moot, being my updates expired about 3 days >> before the whole thing went down.... >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 00:34, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Class action suits work differently then regular suits. In the few I've >>> been in, all I had to do was fill out a form which took ten minutes, wait 8 >>> months, and received a check for the settlement amount. The lawyers make >>> the money from the overall quantity of those that sign on and in many cases >>> they force the defendant to pay there fee for making us take them to court, >>> thus getting the full refund back for the clients they represent. Attach >>> mate also broke their end of a contract, so they wouldn't be in a position >>> to control if it is credit or not. That would be like you canceling a cell >>> phone contract, then simply giving them some of your unwanted stuff of >>> equal value to what is owed rather then paying any fees. Even if the >>> license terms stipulate that we donated the fee to them and they were not >>> obligated to provide anything in return, it would take a very crooked judge >>> to agree that those terms are not fraudulent and unreasonable >>> >>> The biggest risk would involve the amount of people that sign on to the >>> suit, which would immediately relate to the amount of a return a firm can >>> expect to get paid for winning. They would look over the case and it's >>> likely chance of winning, then if they found it to be in the client's favor >>> they would poll how many individuals are interested in signing on. Anyone >>> with the time to read these lists is not so busy coding that they can't >>> fill out a form, but the risk is still there that not many people care >>> about a couple hundred dollars. That's the whole push behind mail in >>> rebates, a company rarely gets concerned of paying for them. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I don't know any class action firms, so it's a null point. >>> I'm hoping someone else does, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "Nic Wise" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Go for it, but I'm with Jason (and also not in the US). I make more in >>>> a month and a half than the cost of the license, and my apps don't >>>> sell _that_ well. >>>> >>>> And to be honest, I'd rather write apps than try to get compensation. >>>> It's a better use of my time. >>>> >>>> But there is no way I'd stop you doing it. I'd read the license terms >>>> tho. Your "pay out" could be ($499 / 12 months * number of months >>>> left). Even if it was a corporate license, an hour or 2 of lawyer time >>>> would be eaten up. If it worth spending the time for, say, $150 in >>>> Attachmate credit? (being it's seldom a cash payout) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:33, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> You are assuming that there are class action cases worth tens of millions >>>>> all over the place. There are actually a lot of less then rich lawyers >>>>> because they have to compete for the same cases; I can't see a lawyer >>>>> choosing to starve then accept a $20k+ paycheck for a month or two worth >>>>> of >>>>> actual work, but then again I'm not a lawyer and they might choose the >>>>> principle of begging on the street then work for less then a certain >>>>> amount. >>>>> Just think of the lawyers who take a case of medical malpractice worth >>>>> $10k >>>>> to $15k; if they had soo many million dollar cases, they would constantly >>>>> turn down those "low profile" cases. It's like a software developer never >>>>> working for less then $40 an hour and choosing to get food stamps instead >>>>> because the good paying jobs are gone; this is rarely the case, and people >>>>> always take less then thrilling jobs while hoping for something better. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:24:47 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] Class action lawsuit? >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> CC: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> not even a bad lawyer would be interested in a class action with a $40k >>>>> liability. They're interested in cases in the tens of millions. >>>>> I'm as pissed as anyone at Attachmate, but suing them is just going to >>>>> make >>>>> the lawyers richer, and give you an ulcer in the process. >>>>> At this point I'm content to wait and see what Xamarin comes up with. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know a good class action lawyer that would be interested >>>>> in pursuing Attachmate to get some of the license fees refunded to current >>>>> paid owners? I bet their is at least $40k worth of licensing that >>>>> Attachmate >>>>> is not supporting per the purchase terms. This is especially pertinent to >>>>> those that are having license activation problems and cannot even use the >>>>> deployment portion of the IDE. >>>>> ~Chris >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nic Wise >>>> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >>>> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ >>>> >>>> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >>>> http://goo.gl/IuBU >>>> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >>>> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >>>> http://goo.gl/Icp2 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MonoTouch mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nic Wise >> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ >> >> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >> http://goo.gl/IuBU >> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >> http://goo.gl/Icp2 >> _______________________________________________ >> MonoTouch mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > -- Nic Wise t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. http://goo.gl/IuBU Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! http://goo.gl/Icp2 _______________________________________________ MonoTouch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch
