google for "attachmate ceo buffalo" sad story. for the buffalo anyway.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 08:36, Pete Macko <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly. I'll support (via purchasing licenses) Xamarin, but in the future if > I have the chance to thwart the purchase of any AssTachmate products by my > employer or clients, I'll do so. Cant trust Attachmate any more than > politicians, they are both groups of theives out to screw over as many people > possible for personal gain - and both think they are beyond any retaliation > by the folks they burn. > > If I were to hear that the Attachmate Group BOD had painfully DIAF I would > only be sad if I didnt get to see it. (no, not really, dont care much for the > smell of BBQ, but I'd get a good laugh out of it) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:24, Nic Wise <[email protected]> wrote: > >> here's my thoughts: >> >> First, if the restructuring etc hadn't happened, you would have had a >> great product by now, with 3 months of experience in it, which is >> good. So I doubt you can blame the MonoTouch/MD people (ie, Miguel and >> co) for that (which you didn't....) >> >> Which leads me on to the other one: while Miguel has said he was in >> the process of spinning Mono* out of Novell from late last year, I >> suspect they didn't know anything about the firings and general >> product killing until slightly before we did - I would guess, tho I >> dont KNOW, he might have known at most 30 mins before _everyone else_ >> at Mono* did, which would be about 24 hours before all of us found >> out. This is only 'cos he was a VP of something. Being he got fired >> too, I suspect he didn't. >> >> I've been thru an acquission and subsequent shutdown of a team once, >> and generally, only the top management (in our case, our dev/country >> manager, hence why I suspect Miguel might have found out about it >> slightly before everyone else there) find out before hand, and usually >> only slightly before as they have to have a little time to think about >> it and answer questions from the rest of the staff. But not always. >> >> But I seriously doubt that when the half-price deal was put into >> motion, anyone on the MD/MT team knew what was going to happen. I >> believe (maybe wrongly?) that they acted in good faith. Now, >> attachmate/Novell.... thats another story. Worst. Customer. Service. >> and. communication. EVER. Hence why the class action would be on >> novell/attachmate, and not the MT/MD team. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 08:14, Pete Macko <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I dont mind the monotouch part as much as getting suckered into buying the >>> pile of shit that is/was monodroid. Shame on me for trying to financially >>> support a decent idea - should have waited for it to age a bit before >>> busting out my credit card. $199 for a worthless broken steaming pile of >>> dung. More than one person at Asstachmate must have known the real story >>> before they cooked up the 'we are showing our gratitude to our loyal >>> customers by offering monodroid at half off' (I.e. "Here is our chance to >>> rectally invade the mono community one more time before they figure out >>> what a bunch of pond scum douching asshats we are") marketing campaign. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2011, at 2:56, Nic Wise <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> For me it's actually moot, being my updates expired about 3 days >>>> before the whole thing went down.... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 00:34, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Class action suits work differently then regular suits. In the few I've >>>>> been in, all I had to do was fill out a form which took ten minutes, wait >>>>> 8 months, and received a check for the settlement amount. The lawyers >>>>> make the money from the overall quantity of those that sign on and in >>>>> many cases they force the defendant to pay there fee for making us take >>>>> them to court, thus getting the full refund back for the clients they >>>>> represent. Attach mate also broke their end of a contract, so they >>>>> wouldn't be in a position to control if it is credit or not. That would >>>>> be like you canceling a cell phone contract, then simply giving them some >>>>> of your unwanted stuff of equal value to what is owed rather then paying >>>>> any fees. Even if the license terms stipulate that we donated the fee to >>>>> them and they were not obligated to provide anything in return, it would >>>>> take a very crooked judge to agree that those terms are not fraudulent >>>>> and unreasonable >>>>> >>>>> The biggest risk would involve the amount of people that sign on to the >>>>> suit, which would immediately relate to the amount of a return a firm can >>>>> expect to get paid for winning. They would look over the case and it's >>>>> likely chance of winning, then if they found it to be in the client's >>>>> favor they would poll how many individuals are interested in signing on. >>>>> Anyone with the time to read these lists is not so busy coding that they >>>>> can't fill out a form, but the risk is still there that not many people >>>>> care about a couple hundred dollars. That's the whole push behind mail in >>>>> rebates, a company rarely gets concerned of paying for them. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, I don't know any class action firms, so it's a null point. >>>>> I'm hoping someone else does, though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "Nic Wise" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Go for it, but I'm with Jason (and also not in the US). I make more in >>>>>> a month and a half than the cost of the license, and my apps don't >>>>>> sell _that_ well. >>>>>> >>>>>> And to be honest, I'd rather write apps than try to get compensation. >>>>>> It's a better use of my time. >>>>>> >>>>>> But there is no way I'd stop you doing it. I'd read the license terms >>>>>> tho. Your "pay out" could be ($499 / 12 months * number of months >>>>>> left). Even if it was a corporate license, an hour or 2 of lawyer time >>>>>> would be eaten up. If it worth spending the time for, say, $150 in >>>>>> Attachmate credit? (being it's seldom a cash payout) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:33, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> You are assuming that there are class action cases worth tens of >>>>>>> millions >>>>>>> all over the place. There are actually a lot of less then rich lawyers >>>>>>> because they have to compete for the same cases; I can't see a lawyer >>>>>>> choosing to starve then accept a $20k+ paycheck for a month or two >>>>>>> worth of >>>>>>> actual work, but then again I'm not a lawyer and they might choose the >>>>>>> principle of begging on the street then work for less then a certain >>>>>>> amount. >>>>>>> Just think of the lawyers who take a case of medical malpractice worth >>>>>>> $10k >>>>>>> to $15k; if they had soo many million dollar cases, they would >>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>> turn down those "low profile" cases. It's like a software developer >>>>>>> never >>>>>>> working for less then $40 an hour and choosing to get food stamps >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> because the good paying jobs are gone; this is rarely the case, and >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> always take less then thrilling jobs while hoping for something better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:24:47 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] Class action lawsuit? >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> CC: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not even a bad lawyer would be interested in a class action with a $40k >>>>>>> liability. They're interested in cases in the tens of millions. >>>>>>> I'm as pissed as anyone at Attachmate, but suing them is just going to >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> the lawyers richer, and give you an ulcer in the process. >>>>>>> At this point I'm content to wait and see what Xamarin comes up with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Chris Hamblett <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know a good class action lawyer that would be interested >>>>>>> in pursuing Attachmate to get some of the license fees refunded to >>>>>>> current >>>>>>> paid owners? I bet their is at least $40k worth of licensing that >>>>>>> Attachmate >>>>>>> is not supporting per the purchase terms. This is especially pertinent >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> those that are having license activation problems and cannot even use >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> deployment portion of the IDE. >>>>>>> ~Chris >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Nic Wise >>>>>> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >>>>>> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ >>>>>> >>>>>> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >>>>>> http://goo.gl/IuBU >>>>>> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >>>>>> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >>>>>> http://goo.gl/Icp2 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nic Wise >>>> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >>>> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ >>>> >>>> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >>>> http://goo.gl/IuBU >>>> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >>>> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >>>> http://goo.gl/Icp2 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MonoTouch mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nic Wise >> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ >> >> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >> http://goo.gl/IuBU >> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >> http://goo.gl/Icp2 > -- Nic Wise t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. http://goo.gl/IuBU Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! http://goo.gl/Icp2 _______________________________________________ MonoTouch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch
