I hate to say it, but this is precisely what we don't want. MooTools is an advanced programming framework for JavaScript. It is not something that even tries to be accessible to non-programmers. If you work hard to make it easy for non-technical designers and others to use, you'll just flood our forums and lighthouse with people complaining that they can't get it to work. This is one of the problems we had early on in the old forums. MooTools has found its stride and it's got a terrific community. I'm really quite happy to have jQuery helping people get into JavaScript. If they get good enough they'll start looking for something better when they hit jQuery's limitations (namely that they limit their scope to the DOM). That's when they're ripe for our framework. But getting them before that is asking for trouble.
As a side note, this is a public, user filled forum where we discuss MooTools. In general, you should attempt to avoid the casting of dispersions upon any group of people. Saying that webmasters and designers are technically inept is precisely how to NOT welcome them to our community. Aaron On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Hazlett <hazl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree, the bulk on webmasters today are technically inept, they have no > loyalty to one framework over another (or even understand what javascript > is). They just want to get the html page done, in working order and out to > the client so they can get paid. With tools around that basically build the > HTML for you, most people are more likely to use a plugin that integrates > with the HTML editor they use. The task of learning to use a tool like > mootools is simply way outside the comfort zone for most of these pseudo > "webmasters". > > We need to create some plugin dll's for some of the more popular html > editors. We also need to blanket the web with quick scripts people can just > cut and paste into HTML documents and they need to look and preform better > then their jquery counterparts (or else people will just use the jquery > snip-it because with the level of penetration they already have you better > bet there will be about 10 scripts to 1 mootools script)". > > Just my 2 cents > > ------------------------------ > > André Fiedler <fiedler.an...@googlemail.com> > Monday, April 04, 2011 9:13 AM > > I think Mootools is more like ExtJS and less like jQuery. Do we really need > designers that want to do quick effects very easy. Mootools isn´t very easy. > It´s somewhere between jQuery and ExtJS I think. So in my opinion designers, > who try mootools, will tell it´s bad, difficult, just don´t work very well. > > > 2011/4/4 Arian Stolwijk <ar...@aryweb.nl> > > ------------------------------ > > Arian Stolwijk <ar...@aryweb.nl> > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:53 AM > > I could be jury if you like. I think it would be a nice idea and some good > PR for MooTools :-) > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Olivier Girardot <ssab...@gmail.com>wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Olivier Girardot <ssab...@gmail.com> > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:46 AM > > what's the website in ? is it on GitHub ? if so maybe we can help. > > OIivier. > > 2011/4/4 Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@gmail.com> > > ------------------------------ > > Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@gmail.com> > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:44 AM > > There's was an initiative created by me, called MooToolified.com – it was > supposed to be just this. > > Unfortunately, I never had the time to finish the code for the website, and > so it sits like this since last year. > > O. > > > ------------------------------ > > hamburger <bilidi...@web.de> > Monday, April 04, 2011 8:39 AM > > Over the weekend I surfed through the world of web to get an overview > what’s up in technique and internet-design. > There are a lot of contest and design pages. But no one is related to > mootools. Quite the contrary, if I do my obligatory right-click, the > most of designers-pages are written in this queerish jquery-tool. I am > sure that all of them also can be done with mootools. > I think the reason for that fact may be that web-designers are mostly > creative persons who are not very interested in technical things. > > Should the moo-community show them what’s possible with moo? (I think > to show some example page are not enough!) > > What do you think about starting a moo-contest? > A page where all moo-developer can post there moo-designs and the > audience and/or an international jury can give an evaluation. > The aim should be to create a meeting point where web developers and > designers can share experiences, inspiration, knowledge and get an > overview what is possible with moo. Here can also be shown the forge- > classes in a designed environment. > The awards (best side of the week / month / ever) can also promote the > best moo-web designers in the world. > > What do you think, does it make sense? > Should it be managed also by the moo-developer-team or can the contest > be started by everyone? > greetz hamburger > >
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