This is cleaner,
nice work!

I agree that a redesigning the site would send a strong message. Or rather,
that the site as it is doesn't look maintained. There's nothing on the site
that gives the indication that the framework is being updated or worked on.
Since most people will only see the MooTools website & not places like this
Google group, I don't think it's strange people perceive the
framework/community as 'dying'. Evidently from this group, however, the
community is still very much active and I think it's important that this
shows.
As you've mentioned before Aaron, the primary focus of MooTools has not
been community, so I gather that valuable time & resources were probably
less so spent on maintaining the website. I think it is important, however,
to spend more time & resources on the MooTools website & its Social
Media channels, as they represent MooTools externally. People will make
superficial assumptions about the MooTools community and the framework,
based on MooTools' online presence. I think this is a great first step in
showing people that this show is still going on.


Btw, here are some Alexa stats:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/jquery.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mootools.net

I had no idea that jQuery had such a good site ranking, it's 761! (Moo is
at 26,333)
jQ has a lot of sites linking in: 43,055 vs Moo's 5,971

A big reason for jQuery's success seems to be the SEO snowball like effect
created by its large community. Constantly talking about, referring and
linking to the framework, pulling in more and more users. As these users
learn the framework, they post queries (pun intended), building upon
the knowledge base and attracting new users. The circle repeats itself,
building a Web 2.0 community that has become very effective at promoting,
maintaining and supporting the framework.

I think Moo has a lot to gain from a stronger community. A good place to
start seems to be increasing the engagement of the existing community and
getting out more user-generated content that relates to the framework, on
top of keeping its external presence vibrant. This can be simple stuff -
answering questions on message boards, explaining & linking to the
documentation, providing alternative MooTools solutions to jQuery ones etc.
Doing a little bit each person, and as a group, building a stronger
community.

-my €0.02

But yeah Benjamin, loving the work, keep at it.


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Benjamin Kuker
<cont...@virtuosimedia.com>wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback, everyone, I'm glad you like the general
> direction. A couple follow-up questions before I update the mocks:
>
>    - My original intention was for the download button to just link to
>    the download page, where you could customize your build and download older
>    versions as well. I didn't put the version number on it because, in my
>    mind, that implied just a direct download of that specific version, whereas
>    the generic download label would be less confusing if it led to the
>    download page. Still, that an incredibly small detail and I'm fine either
>    way.
>    - I can definitely shrink the main icons. I think I want to add a
>    fifth one in there for the docs page anyways, so that works.
>    - How would you feel about adding a "Resources" page to the main
>    navigation? I didn't include the books on the front page because I thought
>    they might be better suited for a page like that, but I could add them back
>    in if people think the front page is the best spot for them.
>    - Would it be too spammy to include a link to my UI framework in the
>    footer if the redesign utilizes it? The framework itself is open source,
>    MooTools-based, and not a direct clone/port of Bootstrap, but it will
>    eventually have an optional commercial tool/service for it as well. I've
>    put a *ton *work into it and hope that it will eventually become the
>    MooTools alternative to Bootstrap. Taking in your suggestion, Aaron, I was
>    thinking about a link along the lines of "Made responsive with VM UI
>    Framework". However, if people feel uncomfortable about that, I could leave
>    it out of the footer.
>    - I forgot to add anything related to Media Temple. What exactly is
>    the relationship? Are they a sponsor? Should I add something similar to the
>    current site?
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