It being Xmas eve and in theory a time for a spirit of cheer (regardless of your religious affiliations or lack there of), I'm going to step in and briefly attempt to be a voice of reason on this thread.
1) J Dalton isn't exactly a nobody (ahem<https://www.google.com/search?q=john+david+dalton>, and ahem <https://github.com/jdalton>) and in the circles of those of us who have been around here for a while he caries a certain amount of gravitas, respect, and shall we say chutzpah. He's paid a lot of dues and, even if his posts here are a bit antagonistic, the man knows of what he speaks. 2) When he says that the decline of MooTools is entirely because of the core devs and no one else he is mostly correct. This is to say that MooTools was the brainchild of one particular developer who focused all his energy on code quality and not, for example, the community that used it. The core team grew around this kind of mentality which is why MooTools has excellent code with a community that did not grow as well as jQuery's. jQuery was designed in many ways to be accessible to everyone, programmers and non-programmers, which inherently makes its audience much larger than MooTools which requires that you actually know (or learn) what the hell you're doing. The long-term effect of this is that as the core dev team grew up, got married, got pinched by Facebook and others, they had less time for Moo. This is true of jQuery, too, but because they put their community first and opened anyone who wanted to help with open arms (where to become a committer for MooTools you basically had to want it more than anything in life), it meant that jQuery has an ever revolving door of new talent picking up where the old guard left off. So when you lament that jQuery sucks and MooTools is better remember that with software, and open source software in particular, generating interest, commitment, and most of all empowering your users is more important in "winning" than writing good code. MooTools got that backwards and is where it is because of it. When J Dalton says that rather than complaining about it you can instead "try contributing to MooTools or jQuery to make them better" he is precisely correct. There is only one way for MooTools to become relevant today and that is for someone with talent and passion to pick it up, dust it off a little, and grow a community around it. But complaining about here isn't going to solve any problems. Not that the sentiment isn't felt in the hearts of everyone else on the list and, I suppose, the catharsis alone might feel invigorating. -aaron P.S. J Dalton, please don't call people here trolls. Even if you think they are, hell, even if they *actually* are, calling someone a troll just makes things worse. You should know better. Happy Holidays! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Sanford Whiteman <[email protected]>wrote: > > I've been around before you and will be around long after you lose > > interest in going tit for tat in this mailing thread. > > I'll grant that you can sustain your present level of service to the > MooTools user community for a very long time: I see a grand total of > one (1) message from you to this list from 2009-2012. Keep up the good > lurk! > > And I see now that you work for Microsoft! (Did you think I knew that > and was "trolling" you knowing you would ride for them no matter > what?) Your reactions sounded off-kilter before, but now they make > sense. You work for the major player that started bundling jQuery in > 2008 and hired a jQuery hero as an "evangelist" in 2009 -- well before > anyone could say MooTools fell behind -- so of course you'd want to > publicly frame those actions as merely reactive, rather than shrewd > moves and later market drivers. That the owners of the MooTools code > are 100.00% to blame and *no other factor other than mismanagement* > came into play rings of the extreme positions you hear in antitrust > suits. [Don't bother, I'll fill in your denial myself.] > > Anyway, congrats on the win. Nothing for you to defend here, just a > bunch of losers carrying a torch. > > -- S. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MooTools Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
