Of course you make a good point JR; perhaps the following might illustrate.
Some time ago I related an experience(on MOPO) I had as a kid back in NH, running 35mm projectors at my Dad's theatre. After the last show of the night and the closing of a given film, I used to run the film cans down two flights of stairs for the film truck. I would also on many occasion put the "paper adv.(whatever it might be; certainly 1sheets, lobby sets, stills etc.)" with the film to either be taken to the next theatre in the small theatre circuit to be used there or.........to go back to National Screen....Don't ask me how the sub=contracted film Truck would get the material back to NSS, but..........it did.
I was immediately challenged and believe it was Bruce that told me "I must be confused" because material did not go back to NSS.........I, quite frankly, let the issue drop, however........., just to illustrate a point .....I still have material from those days, that probably should have gone back to NSS, but remained in the theater. One of the one sheets has the following stamped on the back........Please click on the Link below:
<http://home.earthlink.net/~vmann1/ROCKETSHIPXMS1S.JPG>
I guess this is probably not the best example, but...........it does illustrate the point you were making, right? Have a good night all............Vaughn Mann
At 03:50 PM 4/27/2005 -0500, JRS wrote:
Gary,
Now see, this is what I mean. I have no reason to doubt what you just said -- it's not uncommon for sellers to make up provenances -- but you offered absolutely no details or "evidence" to support your charge. Not long ago a buyer discovered that Heritage had used a digitally-doctored photo for an auction -- and was able to prove it beyond a doubt by showing the poster he won side-by-side with the doctored photo used in the auction that he bid on. This was proof. With that evidence people on MOPO were able to confront Grey Smith here publicly and he really had no choice but to respond with a public explanation, admit that this had accidentally happened with "several" auctions in the past, and take action to insure that this kind of thing never happened again. That's getting somewhere. That is an effective use of a public forum to shed light on a problem and advocate change.
But if you just say "When Bruce is unknowledgeable about a posters provenance he makes it up. I've seen him do this several times" WITHOUT citing specific examples... well, you are making what is known as an "unsubstantiated allegation" and that gets us nowhere. I mean, if as you say, you've "seen him do this several times" then you should be able to give us specific examples. If you didn't happen to save such evidence the last few times you saw him do this, then you should start gathering evidence now from current and future auctions and THEN make the accusation when you can back it up with something.
If we don't apply standards like this then anyone can accuse anyone of anything. I can say, for instance "When Gary doesn't like how much a dealer is asking for a poster, he just breaks into his house and steals it. I've seen him do this several times."
You see what I mean? You need to have something to back up an accusation or you will be labeled with as a member of the "lunatic fringe" or "x-person hater" and most people won't give much credence to whatever charge you are making.
-- JR
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- To: [email protected]
- Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:49
- Subject: Re: [MOPO] my conversation with bruce, today
- "and i can always buy from him with confidence."
- Well, I can't. When Bruce is unknowledgable about a posters provenance he
- makes it up. I've seen him do this several times. Of course, these are
- not "facts" because I have been deemed a "Bruce Hater," which is complete B.S.
- Whatever.
- G
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