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-----Original Message-----
From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Evan
Zweifel
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!


Missed several points? 

His point was -- I just auctioned this for $486, I'd like to buy 3 more of them 
for $300!

My first point was that this poster was worth closer to $20 than to $486.  
Bruce's offer and your explanation seem to reinforce this.  If this really is 
the case, the purchaser just got reamed!  You should send them a letter of 
congratulations. I'm not saying he didn't bring it upon himself, I'm just 
saying ...

My second point was that -- if we assume that a poster is actually worth $486, 
what is a fair offer from a "dealer" for that poster -- is it really less than 
1/3?  Because if that's the current rate, I want in!  Damn! For some posters I 
might even go as high as 4/10.

As for your explanation, it would make sense for a dealer, but Bruce is first 
and foremost and auctioneer, not a dealer.  Sure, he deals, sure he collects, 
but his bread and butter is auctioneer (sell other peoples stuff, take a cut, 
everyone is happy).  You know very well the issues when a auctioneer mixes 
auctioning with dealing (price manipulation, overgrading, misrepresentation, 
competition with your consignors, etc.).  C'mon, he owns the auction site -- 
how would you feel if you just bought this for $486 and you found out he was 
offering all of the underbidders copies for $200?!?!
  
Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Halegua Comic Art" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:43:52 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!

Evan

I think you are missing several points about Bruce's offer

#1 Bruce is a dealer. he is offering a dealer 
purchase price so he can resell and make money

#2 Bruce obviously believes he has at least 2 
bidders who will bid on the poster, but he 
probably doesn't believe the poster will achieve 
$486 again because the top bidder has just won 
himself a copy, so he's moving down to the level 
that the 2 underbidders would likely bid up to, 
which is probably closer to $300.

#3 after Bruce sells the next copy, the value 
continues to go down as he hopes to sell one to the #3 & #4 bidders. maybe $200

#4 then he hopes to sell one to the #4 & #5 
bidders and again the price goes down to their level.


so $300 for 3 copies of a poster that I certainly 
couldn't get $486 for (and obviously Moe Everett 
couldn't get $20 for his copy) is more than 
likely - very fair. He isn't offering to buy the 
poster as a collector and your comparison of 
offering 1/3 for certain 30s-40s posters is most 
certainly not in  line with Bruce's offer as what 
you're going to ask for is probably head and 
shoulders better than Nazi She-Bitch.

Also, if you were to consign to Bruce 3 copies of 
this poster and he got $300, $200 & $150 for 
them, you would receive $222, $144 and  $108 or a 
total of $474, but you would have to wait a 
probable 12 months for all 3 copies to be sold, 
so his offer of $300 again is reasonably fair 
taking into consideration these factors

Rich


At 09:03 AM 8/18/2009, Evan Zweifel wrote:
>Fair?  Really?  You think an offer of 1/3 is fair?
>
>Do you have any nice posters in your 
>collection?  I will gladly offer you 1/3 of 
>Bruce's last selling price for them.  I am 
>looking for some nice 1930s/1940s titles, good 
>graphics, good titles, major stars.
>
>I am serious. Let me know what you have.
>
>Evan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:49:52 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>
>
>
>but, but, but,
>
>Â
>
>That sounds like a fair offer for someone who 
>is a dealer and buying to re-sell. The next one 
>might only go for $300Â or less or may go $500 
>or more. I am sure Bruce would take one on 
>consignment as well and if I had 5, I would keep 
>one, consign one, and hold Bruce to the $300 for 
>the 3 remaining. I wouldn't consider anything 
>less and certainly not the $20 ebay price.
>
>Â
>
>I just hope as a seller that Bruce does half as 
>well for me as he did on this poster for the 
>items I just sent to him. In Bruce I Trust.
>
>Â
>
>Brek
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Evan Zweifel" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:14:09 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>But, but, but...
>
>You do realize that $150 is closer to $20 than to $486.
>
>You seem to be suggesting that this bidder paid 
>more than 3 times what this poster was worth.
>
>Evan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Hershenson" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:45:03 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>
>Forget the idea that this was a $20 poster!
>Â
>I think this is one of the coolest posters ever. 
>If someone out there has one in nice shape they 
>will sell for $150, I will take it.
>Â
>And to prove how great I think it is, I will pay 
>$300 for three of them, if they are out there!
>Â
>Bruce
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM, John Waldman < 
>[email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>I had this poster on my emovieposter watch 
>list,  and I was amazed at how much that poster sold for.
>There was a couple of bidders that really wanted 
>that poster.  I guess you just have to have the 
>right audience in attendance at your auction.
>John W
>
>
>
>
>From: Jeff Potokar < [email protected] >
>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:11:56 AM
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>
>
>
>Or, on the flip side.--
>
>
>someone spent 486.00 for a 20 dollar poster...Â
>
>
>this buyer will be crying the blues, if he 
>learns that, a month earlier, he could have 
>gotten the same item, in the same condition, for 2 ten dollar bills.
>
>
>OUCH!
>
>
>it all depends on how one looks at the scenario.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Jeff
>
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>
>On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>
>
>I feel I am putting forth incredible advertising for eBay!
>Â
>After all, someone got a $486 poster for $20 
>last week, so that guy is super happy and LOVES eBay.
>Â
>I can see their new ads: "Come to eBay where we 
>will hide the items so thoroughly that you can 
>find items for a fraction of their regular price"!
>Â
>Bruce
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:12 PM, JOHN REID 
>Vintage Movie Memorabilia < [email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>The consignor obviously made a very good 
>decision in sending that poster to you. I have 
>been selling quite a lot through eBay lately but 
>you have to be prepared to take the risk of 
>getting low prices for decent posters in their 
>auctions. The fact that you and others have 
>taken so many buyers away from eBay is an 
>indication of the impact of the negative policies that they introduced.
>
>Regards
>John
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bruce Hershenson
>To: [email protected]
>
>
>
>Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>
>It's had another significant bump in the bid price:
>http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=1499931
> 
>
>Â
>Must be that damed time-extended bidding causing the jump in price!
>Â
>Bruce
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Bruce 
>Hershenson < [email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>
>Of course I sometimes get far more than eBay 
>sellers (as in the case cited above), both 
>because I reach more interested collectors, and 
>because of the "trust" factor. I believe it is 
>fair to say I get a substantially higher amount 
>overall for 100 posters than an eBay seller would for the very same posters.
>Â
>Absolutely, any buyer with the time to search 
>eBay regularly should do so, especially if they 
>can handle the possible frustration of poorly packed or over-graded posters.
>Â
>Then again, I don't always sell for more. I 
>sometimes have some real bargains!
>Â
>Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:32 AM, JOHN REID 
>Vintage Movie Memorabilia < [email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>I thought the same thing.
>Â
>Bruce, you are actually making a good argument 
>for buyers to do a search on eBay before buying elsewhere.
>Â
>It certainly is a Catch 22.
>Â
>Regards
>John
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Richard Evans
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: How WHERE you auction can make a BIG difference!
>
>
>Not sure how you can promote the advantages for 
>sellers of emovieposter over "ebayjima" without 
>it highlighting the opposite for buyers. Hmmm, 
>appears to be an advertising Catch 22.
>
>
>Rich
>
>
>
>
>On 13 Aug 2009, at 01:22, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>
>
>Â  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350227396540 Â (closed)
>Â
>vs
>Â
>http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=1499931
> 
>Â (24 hours to go)
>Â
>Sometimes WHERE you auction (and how many 
>interested buyers you reach) can mean as much as  WHAT you are auctioning.
>Â
>eBay brags of its millions of bidders, and other 
>auctions brag of their hundreds of thousands of 
>bidders, but what difference does that make when 
>the vast majority of those people will never ever buy a vintage poster?
>Â
>I will stack up OUR 31,000+ actual buyers (each 
>of which is someone who actually purchased 
>vintage movie paper from us) against the bidders 
>from any other auction in the world!
>Â
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