At first I thought this was a reference to commission.
But I guess it's just the close proximity of S to A on the keyboard.
On 30 Aug 2009, at 22:24, Claude Litton wrote:
Bruce
You are not correct here. The fakes were held out as originals.
This is the criminal aspect of the situation. I recall when the
Mummy one sheet was sold with a huge amount of restoration. The
suction house showed before and after pictures of the one sheet.
The buyer knew what he was getting. If the seller (who made the
fakes) stated that a certain percentage was recreated then the price
would be seriously reduced. A poster with 1/100th of the original
would command a reproduction price and not the price of an
original. Making a reproduction of an expensive poster and holding
it out as original is criminal and far different from your example.
Holding a poster out as original when it is a reproduction (even if
1% is real) is not over grading.
There is no standard for grading in this hobby but there is one
thing that does exist. Calling a reproduction an original poster is
a crime in anyone's book.
Claude
In a message dated 8/30/2009 5:12:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
If the surviving Ramone had cut the Frankenstein fragment into two,
could they have "restored" both pieces into heavily restored half-
sheets? What if they had cut it into three or four or five or ten?
When does restoration become recreation? If the infamous Universal
fakes prove to have 1/100th of an original poster somewhere in them,
are they no longer fakes, but merely "heavily restored"?
Maybe the only mistake the rip-off artists made was to not include a
bit of an original poster in each poster they sold. If they had done
so, what crime are they guilty of? Over-grading? If that were a
prosecutable defense, the jails would be crammed full.
Bruce
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <[email protected]
> wrote:
what grade would the 50% recreated Mummy 1sh be called???
if either poster was not restored, that woul dbe poor condition
restored has to move it up a grade on the scale and would be salable
if it was backed or not, if for nothing more than curiosity
of course, we all have different grading systems
Bruce's very good or my very good or Seans or Heritage's are not at
all the same
At 01:51 PM 8/30/2009, bqjansen wrote:
Still you should not call it "fair". These grades imply an
objectivity no matter how rare the object is. Getting back to my
furniture reference. One original leg does not make a Chippendale
in fair condition.
Wim
Op 30 aug 2009, om 22:40 heeft Richard Halegua Comic Art het
volgende geschreven:
I actually agree with Grey 100% on this issue
whether the poster was restored to the quality of a Studio-C or
Poster Mountain restoration, the description in my opinion is just
fine
they do not create any illusions on the item, grades as fair/
restored and the picture tells the story
the fact that it is one of one makes it a desired item regardless
of less than perfect artistic quality
now, keep in mind, nothing keeps the current owner of the item
from getting it re-restored with the work of a better artist than
the one who previously worked on the poster, which would of course
make it considerably more presentable
Rich
At 01:28 PM 8/30/2009, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:
JR
You mention "silk purse from a...", perhaps, but when it is the
only sow's ear on earth, it is assuredly, in many people's eyes,
a silk purse!
Concerning including an image of the title card next to the half
sheet, not a bad idea but where does that end? Should we end up
trying to offer comparisons on all we sell. This is exactly why
we continue to offer the service of high res images forever on
our site and are the only poster seller that does so. As Heritage
has always suggested, educate yourself on anything you purchase.
Thus the reason for the link to comparables on every page of our
auctions. This is also something that only Heritage offers to
their bidders.
From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of James Richard
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] FRANKENSTEIN 1/2 sheet vs TC from Heritage
I might be so audacious and impertinent as to suggest that a
responsible and highly-regarded auction house catering to the
very well-to-do and regularly selling tens of millions of dollars
of high-priced collectibles every year would have taken it upon
themselves to include a high resolution picture of the title card
along with the half sheet auction so that the bidders could have
made the comparison themselves at the time of the sale.
But I guess I'm just being naive... despite the cries of shock
and horror over the last few days, "let the buyer beware" is
still the Golden Rule in our society.
-- JR
Douglas Ball wrote:
Side by side, yes, but when the auction took place it looked damn
good!
Doug
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] FRANKENSTEIN 1/2 sheet vs TC from Heritage
There is indeed a very big difference between the two.
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