Bruce You are not correct here. The fakes were held out as originals. This is the criminal aspect of the situation. I recall when the Mummy one sheet was sold with a huge amount of restoration. The suction house showed before and after pictures of the one sheet. The buyer knew what he was getting. If the seller (who made the fakes) stated that a certain percentage was recreated then the price would be seriously reduced. A poster with 1/100th of the original would command a reproduction price and not the price of an original. Making a reproduction of an expensive poster and holding it out as original is criminal and far different from your example. Holding a poster out as original when it is a reproduction (even if 1% is real) is not over grading. There is no standard for grading in this hobby but there is one thing that does exist. Calling a reproduction an original poster is a crime in anyone's book. Claude In a message dated 8/30/2009 5:12:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brucehershen...@gmail.com writes:
If the surviving Ramone had cut the Frankenstein fragment into two, could they have "restored" both pieces into heavily restored half-sheets? What if they had cut it into three or four or five or ten? When does restoration become recreation? If the infamous Universal fakes prove to have 1/100th of an original poster somewhere in them, are they no longer fakes, but merely "heavily restored"? Maybe the only mistake the rip-off artists made was to not include a bit of an original poster in each poster they sold. If they had done so, what crime are they guilty of? Over-grading? If that were a prosecutable defense, the jails would be crammed full. Bruce On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <_sa...@comic-art.com_ (mailto:sa...@comic-art.com) > wrote: what grade would the 50% recreated Mummy 1sh be called??? if either poster was not restored, that woul dbe poor condition restored has to move it up a grade on the scale and would be salable if it was backed or not, if for nothing more than curiosity of course, we all have different grading systems Bruce's very good or my very good or Seans or Heritage's are not at all the same At 01:51 PM 8/30/2009, bqjansen wrote: Still you should not call it "fair". These grades imply an objectivity no matter how rare the object is. Getting back to my furniture reference. One original leg does not make a Chippendale in fair condition. Wim Op 30 aug 2009, om 22:40 heeft Richard Halegua Comic Art het volgende geschreven: I actually agree with Grey 100% on this issue whether the poster was restored to the quality of a Studio-C or Poster Mountain restoration, the description in my opinion is just fine they do not create any illusions on the item, grades as fair/restored and the picture tells the story the fact that it is one of one makes it a desired item regardless of less than perfect artistic quality now, keep in mind, nothing keeps the current owner of the item from getting it re-restored with the work of a better artist than the one who previously worked on the poster, which would of course make it considerably more presentable Rich At 01:28 PM 8/30/2009, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: JR You mention "silk purse from a...", perhaps, but when it is the only sow's ear on earth, it is assuredly, in many people's eyes, a silk purse! Concerning including an image of the title card next to the half sheet, not a bad idea but where does that end? Should we end up trying to offer comparisons on all we sell. This is exactly why we continue to offer the service of high res images forever on our site and are the only poster seller that does so. As Heritage has always suggested, educate yourself on anything you purchase. Thus the reason for the link to comparables on every page of our auctions. This is also something that only Heritage offers to their bidders. From: MoPo List [ _mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU) ] On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:40 PM To: _mop...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU) Subject: Re: [MOPO] FRANKENSTEIN 1/2 sheet vs TC from Heritage I might be so audacious and impertinent as to suggest that a responsible and highly-regarded auction house catering to the very well-to-do and regularly selling tens of millions of dollars of high-priced collectibles every year would have taken it upon themselves to include a high resolution picture of the title card along with the half sheet auction so that the bidders could have made the comparison themselves at the time of the sale. But I guess I'm just being naive... despite the cries of shock and horror over the last few days, "let the buyer beware" is still the Golden Rule in our society. -- JR Douglas Ball wrote: Side by side, yes, but when the auction took place it looked damn good! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: _JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia_ (mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com) To: _mop...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU) Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FRANKENSTEIN 1/2 sheet vs TC from Heritage There is indeed a very big difference between the two. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at _www.filmfan.com_ (http://www.filmfan.com/) ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: _lists...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu) In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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