AOL EmailZeev, It's not just David who's trying to make it clear that there are such a thing as bootleg inserts. It's probably many people here on MOPO who are wondering why we are beating our heads against the wall.. again.
Re-reading Tom's post, I think there is a basic misunderstanding of the terminology. "Minty white inserts" SPECIFICALLY relates to the bootleg/fake/bogus/unlicensed (take your pick or any combination) that were deliberately created to sell as original inserts into the collector's market. They were wholesaled internationally in vast numbers and many were picked up by dealers both knowingly and unknowingly and they have been fed into the collector's market over several years and are still circulating if not bing actively produced. The same can be said of numerous lobby card sets for such films as JAWS, TAXI DRIVER, CHINATOWN, RAGING BULL, etc, etc. They are a total pain in the arse for all sellers of real material because so many red flags are held over the titles that for legit sellers to sell what any of these titles in lobbies and inserts is really worth is now sullied by the bootleg market. Just like the bogus one sheet market. In the 80s, a couple of US dealers were supplying a German outfit with original rolled one sheets which were then mass produced and re-sold back into the international poster market, via comic book stores and poster shops, including legit original movie memorabilia dealers who were either less knowledgable on their materials, or happy to turn a blind eye in the name of profit. The STAR WARS "hairy belt" were produced and sold via comics wholesalers and to collectors stores on an international level - and there are many thousands out there in the collectors market. Tom's post seems to indicate he thinks and uses the term "minty white inserts" to describe ANY 80s posters of this format that are uncirculated and remain in near perfect condition. I'll agree with Fred Sliman that MANHATTAN has always been a steady seller, steadily appreciating in value, (along with ANNIE HALL) and that the other titles he names in the bootleg insert list are also increasingly desired by collectors when they know they are getting the real deal and not a fake. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: lobby card invasion To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] MINTY WHITE INSERTS David, you say one thing, Tom another. You obviously haven't convinced Tom. Maybe others as well. How many times do we have to discuss this same topic? You tell me. This afternoon Tom posted his thoughts on the Provenance thread, and by the way, also stated that in his opinion the "minty white"' inserts are legit, and all this talk of them being fakes is nothing but "propaganda". If no one had responded to this claim, some newbies may assume that that is fact, not knowing that many people hold a different view on the subject. This would also be the time to mention that, in my opinion, referring to fakes as "unauthorized" restrikes, does lend them some air of legitimacy they do not deserve. Zeev ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lieberman To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: [MOPO] MINTY WHITE INSERTS how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;) The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's. They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after hours" at the same place the originals were printed years before (at one of the nss printing facilities).....that is why the quality is just as good as the originals.........that is why they fooled so many people......and that is why they still fool people today. Some are virtually identical with the same art cropping etc., and some have the artwork slightly cropped. The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj, scarface, blade runner, manhattan. There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed around the same time. They probably came from the same source as the minty white inserts (at least that's my humble opinion!). The manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars a,b,c one sheets.....as well as several others. We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups of some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place though on the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we haven't done only because we haven't had a fake one and a real one in stock at the same time so we could compare them side by side. Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat out wrong. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. 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