Just for the sake of clarity Dave, since in your response here you
state "they are "unauthorized" restrikes", which I think suggests all
were made from the original plates.
This subject was raised on NSFGE in connection with Dracula, the ink-
jets and the relative standards of the forgeries.
I asked:
Anyone recall whether the conclusion on the minty whites was that they
used original plates?
Or did they throw the original artwork off focus slightly and re-
convert to offset?
(Which I imagine was the method with Lucky Strikes etc.)
Dave?
I believe you're the guardian of all knowledge on this now, but I
couldn't find that on your website.
Dave:
re: minty white inserts
guardian of all knowledge?
I don't know about that!
this has little to do with the topic of this thread..so my apologies
to everyone...but since you asked.
some of what I do know:
-they are not "original"
-most were printed in mass quantities in the 1980's......so I don't
think the Rochester and Oklahoma guys are still printing them......but
anything is possible. In fact, its possible that those guys never even
printed them themselves.....they may have just bought several thousand
of each way back when for pennies a piece from some unknown source and
have been selling them ever since.
-some are true "restrikes" that used the same exact plates, some are
kind of "restrikes" that used some of the original printing elements,
thus the slight cropping differences.
-they were most likely made at the same place the originals were, only
several years later and done "after hours" by unscrupulous print shop
employees.
info. above refers to minty white inserts only......as for fake minty
white lobby cards.....my guess is that they are still printing those
on demand....
Bob Brooks added:
I can add a little to the 'minty white' issue (as I was the first
person in the hobby to publicly identifty them as fakes)... Some of
them are clearly created on a computer (certain elements were
'photoshopped'), so that implies that they were created in the
'computer era', not the early or mid-eighties (before that technology
existed)...
On 13 Oct 2009, at 04:15, David Lieberman wrote:
how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;)
The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's.
They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after
hours" at the same place the originals were printed years before (at
one of the nss printing facilities).....that is why the quality is
just as good as the originals.........that is why they fooled so
many people......and that is why they still fool people today. Some
are virtually identical with the same art cropping etc., and some
have the artwork slightly cropped.
The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts
include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj,
scarface, blade runner, manhattan.
There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed
around the same time. They probably came from the same source as the
minty white inserts (at least that's my humble opinion!). The
manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars
a,b,c one sheets.....as well as several others.
We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups of
some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place
though on the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we
haven't done only because we haven't had a fake one and a real one
in stock at the same time so we could compare them side by side.
Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat
out wrong.
David Lieberman
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