Tom, I don't think anyone is blaming you for anything, and I don't think anyone
took away that impression for anything.
I think we are talking about apples and oranges... or watermelons.
Best,
phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MINTY WHITE INSERTS- interogatories for David
thanks Zeev .. I started to wonder if I was a minty white myself and was just
getting ready to go get
tested to see if i was a real or fake dealer...:)
I thought maybe i was delusional and not in kansas anymore
I also had fun meeting You, and thanks for teh Biz.. and never thought anyone
accused me of any bad stuff or fakes, or even selling them .. Mopo has been
very kind to me
and I will do all I can to help expose fraudstres also.. I just was trying
to offer some help to all
and just didnt want all dealers to know some facts from a old poster dealer
viewpoint
Thanks Zeev and thanks for the kindness extended.
best, Tom
lobby card invasion wrote:
Tom,
Just to clear any doubts, and so there won't be any misunderstandings, I
never said that I purchased anything fake from you, or that you sold any "minty
white" inserts to me or anyone else. I never said any such thing because
that's not the case.
As you pointed out, I did buy some lobby cards from you once, on my way to
Cinevent in Columbus, and those were from titles from the 70's or older, if I
remember correctly. I was quite happy with the purchase, all lobby cards were
legit, and I enjoyed meeting you, and the experience of spending a few hours
together.
Best regards, Zeev
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MINTY WHITE INSERTS- interogatories for David
David I have to respectfully disagree with the theory your setting
forth... its patently not true in my opinion.
Where you in business in 1977 - 1989 period- selling movie Posters? Did
you have a business relationship with any suppliers during the years in
question?
When you purport that the posters that are rumored to have been made
Most Likely after hours
where did your information come from to support that? who told You? what
documents can support your allegations.? On what date did each poster get
printed and by whom and where?
who were the dealers that sold the posters and what specific titles where
sold.?
where were these reprints printed and if they were done after hours on
the same press and same printer on same paper then by all means that is t like
printing a 35 mm movie print off the original negative and is a original. copy
just as the rest but just later in day
What proof do you have or facts that they're printed at same plant and
documents or statements by whom to support your theory? what is the date they
were printed.
where have you obtained Your fake posters from as are Your posters also
suspect then ?
Why would you carry fake posters ? Is your source for the fakes also a
maker of other fakes?
Do you carry other fakes if so what items in your inventory are fakes
also. On what authority do you have
the ability to differentiate a fake from a real Poster? Are you
accredited and licensed to make appraisals
or just offer your professional Opinion? please advise.
However thetas Not the case.. because if they were not originals what
your saying is that a employee would stay and jeopardize a job , possible legal
suit and more to make posters tat were available for 3.00 at the time
and abundant.
As I have stated clear Im not saying that there are NOt reproductions out
there that have been done since the 80s , My point was there was a Lot of
posters that came from National screen when they closed the cleveland office
that were to be Dumped and were purchased by a dealer I personally Know and
were offered along with many many more titles then just the few that people
keep bringing up alone...
Plus to me its so absurd that you and many others that just make claims
like You do about the history of the
posters do so.. when I can say with 100 % certainty that they existed.
I will not insult you by saying anyone that doesn't agree is flat wrong
without the facts,,, But I was there
when all these came out and there just was no reason to create these
as they didn't sell.. or I would have bought them at 3.00
heck I have posters from 80s I bought I still have and I even have star
wars I bought at the star wars celebration in denver
so Why would I defend the Minty whites if I 1. ) don't have any,, 2.)
never sold them anyway....
whets the purpose... Its not like I would sell them now because of the
Rumors spread by many...
But let it stand what you have said.. because you have made it fact in
your book and that to me
is very dangerous without having Ironclad data to support your
statements.
I was there at the time, received the lists and dealt with the poster
sellers at the time period..
and all Im saying was there was Inserts Unused in mint shape as they were
on sheleves at Nation screen service and they were sold 3.00 wholesale. ... If
they were made in the same plant, on same paper from same plates whether in
the morning or night its the same poster,,
also your entire business is unauthorized if you think as Posters are
not to be sold correct so you are unauthorized to do it also... If you want to
get all legal.. Or are you licensed to sell movie posters by some
studio?
makes no sense , your facts are weak at best...
and to place that info on your site and state those things as facts is
not prudent
wisdom to the customers. in my humble opinion.
I offer this for consideration and to help others understand the
history of Posters.
best, Tom
David Lieberman wrote:
how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;)
The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's.
They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after hours" at
the same place the originals were printed years before (at one of the nss
printing facilities).....that is why the quality is just as good as the
originals.........that is why they fooled so many people......and that is why
they still fool people today. Some are virtually identical with the same art
cropping etc., and some have the artwork slightly cropped.
The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake
inserts include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj,
scarface, blade runner, manhattan.
There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed
around the same time. They probably came from the same source as the minty
white inserts (at least that's my humble opinion!). The manhattan style b 1sh,
fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars a,b,c one sheets.....as well as
several others.
We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups
of some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place though on
the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we haven't done only
because we haven't had a fake one and a real one in stock at the same time so
we could compare them side by side.
Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat
out wrong.
David Lieberman
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