I know this is simplistic, but really, why can't we all just get along? Bruce
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art < [email protected]> wrote: > Thierry > I'm surprised at you. What purpose is served by ranting against Andy > because he wants to make money or because he chooses who shall or shall not > post on MPF?? > > something that I have always understood is that when I'm in someone's home, > I'm there "at their pleasure" and when I am there, I must adhere to the > "rules of the house". that means if Mary (she's Chinese) wants you to take > off your shoes at the door.. you take your shoes off at the door. Or if > Danny says "no political or religious conversations" that you don't have any > political or religious conversations. Or if Roxanne says "no smoking in the > house" no one smokes in her house.. It a courtesy to the host. Such > courtesies are ignored at the offender's risk. > > similarly, when I'm at MoPo, NSF, APF or MPF, that I am there only as long > as I mind my manners in correlation to the rules of that house. I'm sure > that all of us have certain disagreements with how a forum or business > should be run. For instance, I strongly disagree with Ari's philosophy that > someone can say anything they want on NSF - even to anonymously attack > members with lies - with impunity. But it is Ari's site to do with as he > pleases, just as MoPo is setup the way Scott pleases and APF is setup the > way you and Holiday please. You all have differing philosophies in some > respects. > > It takes time and effort to operate a website or forum and if Andy chooses > to profit from his work, as a businessman I do not see anything wrong with > that. I am a paid sponsor. If I felt Andy's price for paid sponsorship was > too high, or not worthwhile - I wouldn't pay for the service or I'd tell him > so and try to work out something mutually acceptable > > Similarly, while I do not know (because I never read the complaining thread > of banishment on NSF) why someone was banned from MPF, I do not care and my > feeling is that whatever precipitated that member's banishment is between > him and Andy. Obviously Andy felt the member was out of line by Andy's > standards (and I'm guessing it was not the first time, as it never is) and > Andy banned him. > > You know what, I'll ban anyone I feel like banning at MPB if I choose and I > did indeed ban someone from the site just 2 weeks ago (it's great to get > revenge). the newly registered member screwed me on fleaBay back in 2003. > She wanted me to pay the paypal payment fees and fleaBay listing fees for 2 > photoplay editions "because they sold too low" and so I complained to > fleaBay and paypal. (I'll bet I posted about this back in 2003). Well, she > didn't like that too much, especially as fleaBay (according to her) > threatened to un-register her, and Paypal warned (according to her) that > they would close her account if she requests buyers to pay her fees. I paid > for the 2 books (a whopping $30), and they were never received (I'm positive > she never sent them). Then she left negative feedback on what was a pristine > account of almost 2000 feedbacks. It was my only neg on that account before > I closed it i protest against selling on fleaBay. > > Well, 3 weeks ago she signed on because I had some Barrymore items listed > (yeah, you folks know who she is now, don't you?). I recognized her name > immediately and I banned the account. She screwed me. She will not have a > chance to screw anyone on my site. She wrote when she tried to log back on > to bid and could not get on. I reminded her of exactly what she did, of > which she was blissfully ignorant of the past. But she will also be > un-blissfully banned from MPB for-ev-er. Something that as fleaBay goes down > down down she will probably find more and more objectionable. She should not > have tried to screw me in 2003.. Her chickens are now home to roost > > I think all of the forums create a certain benefit to the hobby. I believe > that I have to work with Heritage, or Bruce or anyone else within the > constraints of good taste, even if we are at some level competitors.I > believe MPF, MoPo, NSF & APF should be doing the same and all the pissing > fights are childish. > > Each forum can choose to operate the way they choose to operate. But what > they cannot or should not do is try to impose on each other is each other's > philosophies in the name of "professing a better hobby". What my neighbor > does inside his house is his business. What he does on the street is a > different matter. Or if my neighbor blasts his music at 3am is a different > matter. Or if he throws his garbage on my lawn, or on my patio or in my > driveway. But what he does inside his house - as long as he is not > disruptive to his neighbors on the street - is his own business and what I > think he should be doing does not matter one wit. It's absolutely none of my > business.. until he gets in front of my house and starts his yapping > > MPF belongs to Andy > APF belongs to you and Holiday > NSF belongs to Ari > and MoPo belongs to Scott > > if any of you wants to make money from your endeavors, that is a personal > choice just as banning any member you choose to is also your choice and if > anyone wants to ban every member.. so be it. It's an exercise of justified > rights and for my money, if NSF isn't going to ban braying jackasses like > Douche Hershenson (for those of you who don't know, that is not Bruce.. it > is an anonymous moron who likes to post shit and someone who has no > connection to Bruce), I'm not so sure that it's the kind of place to use as > a measure for rules on other sites (I'm not saying you are, just an > example). > > I will commend Holiday for taking action on an issue (behind the scenes) > that he took on my behalf this month at APF. To me it was a right-headed > approach to the issue and I have no doubt it stopped in it's tracks coming > behavior from someone who most likely is "the Douche" and who is a member on > this forum. Behavior that would not have been beneficial to APF of course > would only have triggered another public fight. Any forum owner who does > this stuff is doing what he believes is in his best interests, and most of > the time, what a forum owner does in that regard is a general benefit to the > hobby of which we are all part. > > Don't get me wrong.. I like and am friends with each of you who run the > forums. My post is something to help add some perspective from outside.. You > have to get along, or all you create is negativity, which is detrimental to > any subject. > > Rich > > > > At 10:17 AM 2/21/2010, Thierry Brame wrote: > >> You want to talk about disgraceful behavior, Andy. How about you >> banning people left and right simply because they disagree with you, >> or banning Joneyy because he disagreed with your banners placement. >> How many people have you banned so far, Andy? 50? 100? >> >> The reason we left MPF is that it had become about MONEY, YOUR MONEY >> and how much PROFIT you could make from YOUR FORUM, squeezing it left >> and right from every member and anyone who dares advertising. Because >> at the end of the day, MPF is NOT a forum about posters, it's a >> VEHICLE to raise MONEY. It's all about ADS, and your recent endeavor >> in trying to raise more MONEY with the creation of an authentication >> site, when you know very well it already exists thru Jeannie, is truly >> despicable. >> >> By the same token, coming on MoPo and lying about the amount of >> members MPF has, when you very well know a lot of people have 3, 4, >> sometimes more memberships, is as despicable as my email. And I'm not >> even talking about spammers. And since you control it all in your >> little dark room, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually created >> members to inflate the tally. 80% of MPF members post only once. Why >> is that, Andy? >> >> So although I completely agree that my tone on this email was >> borderline aggressive and totally uncalled for (I was probably having >> a bad day, which can happen to anyone,) and for that I apologize), you >> are no one to give behavior lessons. Besides, it was a private email >> that wasn't meant to be disclosed, and now here you are, publishing it >> to the world. >> >> Another DESPERATE ATTEMPT to RAISE MONEY, Andy? How much do you need, >> I'll write you a check ASAP. >> >> Thierry >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >> >> Send a message addressed to: [email protected] >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >> >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >> > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
