Slowly, this is the progression for me, Peter. The limiting factor, though, is money. I cannot afford to collect much of the classic material that is out there, though I have great appreciation for it. I have to believe that this is the experience of the many new collectors out there.
Holiday Begin forwarded message: > From: P Molitor <[email protected]> > Date: April 4, 2010 10:45:25 AM EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] An excellent thought provoking article: Ten Signposts to > Identify Endangered Collecting Categories > Reply-To: P Molitor <[email protected]> > > It also seems like (if using APF or even MPF is any sort of barometer) that > there *are* young, non-geriatric collectors entering the hobby. I can even > recognize the thousand yard stare in some, so I know we're safe for a while > longer. I think as long as these new collectors are exposed to "classic" > paper, they'll eventually move beyond the posters from their youths and into > serious cinema history leaning collections. > > Happily, it's sort of a self-perpetuating cycle - the old posters get you > into the old movies, then the old movies get you into more old posters. > Worked for me anyway. > > --Peter > > --- On Sun, 4/4/10, Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] An excellent thought provoking article: Ten Signposts to > Identify Endangered Collecting Categories > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:59 AM > > But here's another bright side, Rich. The movie poster hobby of today reminds > me of the comics hobby circa 1969. No official price guide, lots and lots of > super-cheap items (once you get past the top 10% of items that everyone > wants), which are available in large numbers in my auctions and yours and on > eBay. Lots of people who really love what they collect, and few "investor > types" (once you get past the top 10% of items that everyone wants). And a > relatively small hobby, that could grow much larger. > > So I am not "doom and gloom" about posters, because anyone can start > collecting tomorrow, and $100 will buy them a large box of items in my > auctions or yours or on eBay (if they leave alone the top 10% of items that > everyone wants), and to me, that makes for a healthy hobby. > > Bruce > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art > <[email protected]> wrote: > it does indeed Bruce and that's how I knew the housing bubble was gonna to > come as early as 2003 (we did have one of the hottest markets). I rented a > house in 2000. It was brand new and the houses on either side were still > building > the owner bought it for $120k. > within a year he offered it to me at $155k. I said no thanks, and he sold it. > I continued renting > within a year it sold again for $195k > then another year $235k. then it sold twice more until it was $295,000 in > 2003. That's when I moved out, even though my rent never changed in all that > time (the new manager was an a$$hole). > > i was up in the neighborhood last year & drove by. It was foreclosed. > I checked online & it was for sale at $107k.. less than when it was new!!! > > all along I told my friends this couldn't be real, and a correction was > coming.. Of course, like the comics hobby - no one believed me then. > > I was talking to a friend I ran into yesterday. she lost $380k on 3 houses > she invested in.. it was a total rout to her. > but hey.. I hadn't seen her in a while.. and we're having dinner next week.. > so the real estate bubble did get me something after all... LOL > > > > 02:55 PM 4/3/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote: >> Sounds like there are parallels to the real estate bubble of a few years ago. >> >> Or the Greater Fool theory. Once a few of the "big players" decide to back >> off, prices can go down just as quick as they go up. >> >> If the people buying these items have a true love of them, that's a healthy >> hobby. But when the "investor types" buy because they think they are going >> to sell at a huge profit in a few years, it's a recipe for disaster. >> >> Time will tell. >> >> Bruce >> >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> no, it's never been really soft and Heritage didn't do anything to change >> the field's direction >> but it's a classic bubble hobby.. they keep thinking it only goes up-up-up >> and if you read the comic boards, that is the general sentiment. Anyone who >> challenges that thought is roundly admonished by the complete majority of >> the dealers & collectors - even though the number of comic stores has >> decreased by 75% (or more) during the last 15 years and publishers are >> printing less comics. >> As a matter of fact, I had dinner with a longtime friend who used to be one >> of the top five comic distributors and we discussed it. there may be less >> than 15% of the number of comic stores there were in 1990, but the only >> company that could show the proof is Diamond and they won't tell. As a >> matter of fact, they keep trumpeting the hobby. >> >> Sean and I have been involved in that hobby for 45+ years (in my case. 40+ >> as a dealer) and 25+ (in Sean's case) >> seeing as both of us have more faith in movie posters - I think that says >> alot about the hobby and Bruce as well was a big person in the hobby in the >> 70s. Moreover, when you go to comic conventions, there is almost nobody >> under 35 except longtime dealers and a very tiny % of collectors. By and >> large, the great population of older collectors has disappeared as prices >> have increased, and so - the likelihood of golden age books from third-world >> publishers becoming non-sought-after issues is increasing. Surprisingly, the >> large part of the hobby dismisses this as well, which is proof that the >> hobby is populated by the perfect people - those who wear blinders where >> money is concerned.. >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> At 01:57 PM 4/3/2010, Kevin Conway wrote: >>> I am no comic book expert, but was once a moderate collector. Wasn't the >>> comic book market quite soft until Heritage entered the market in a "big >>> way" and heavily promoted the comic book industry about 7-10 years ago ?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Richard Halegua Comic Art >>> Sent: Apr 3, 2010 3:07 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] An excellent thought provoking article: Ten Signposts >>> to Identify Endangered Collecting Categories >>> it's a fantastic article that reports things we as longtime dealers already >>> know and that comic book collectors need to examine >>> in comics right now, there is much talk about Action comics #1 CGC 8.0 >>> grade sold for $1mil, then Heritage sold Detective #27 8.0 for $1,075,000 >>> and just this week Action #1 8.5 sold for $1.5mil. Because comic collectors >>> seem (to me) purposely ignorant that a reckoning is coming to the greater >>> part of the hobby, they all point to these sales & say "the comics hobby is >>> super-healthy.. prices will never go down". Prices in comics don't reflect >>> decreases because both dealers and the publishers of the price guide are in >>> bed together on the one hand, and they have a stranglehold on the hobby off >>> the other hand. The fans are also complicit in this sham as they 1) go for >>> it hook-line-and sinker & 2) they choose to ignore the obvious signals. >>> >>> Action Comics #1 will always sell for big bucks. It is after all the single >>> most important comic book there is. It has interest outside the comic >>> collecting hobby and most copies over time will find their way into museums >>> where they will remain on permanent display. Action comics #2, 102, or >>> 502.... sorry... down the road, these books will be collected by very few >>> as the entire comics hobby will continue to deflate over many long years >>> until almost no-one collects them, with the exception of the top items like >>> Action #1, Spiderman #1 and the like. >>> Movie posters will no doubt follow them in great part (especially as >>> posters themselves stop being printed in favor of digital displays). >>> The only difference in posters is that, unlike a comic book, a movie poster >>> is likened to an artwork, can be framed and displayed in a home, while it >>> is unlikely that Coo-Coo Comics #1 will ever get displayed for company to >>> view when they come over for dinner >>> that doesn't mean that all posters will be collected.. Sadly, the >>> collecting of posters to the great majority will focus on the top titles, >>> the top stars and the big hits.. Much of the rest will just fade away. >>> Rich >>> >>> At 08:28 AM 4/3/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote: >>>> >>>> Ten Signposts to Identify Endangered Collecting Categories >>>> by Harry Rinker (03/16/10). >>>> >>>> http://www.worthpoint.com/blog-entry/ten-signposts-identify-endangered-collecting-categories?utm_source=WorthPoint+Insider+List&utm_campaign=cf94b34d78-insider-7&utm_medium=email&mc_cid=cf94b34d78&mc_eid=9c7686e1e6 >>>> >>>> Does it apply to movie posters? Comic Books? >>>> Bruce >>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>>> Send a message addressed to: [email protected] >>>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > Kevin Conway > > Conway's Vintage Treasures > > > > www.CVTreasures.com > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
