cool , that's a better welcoming then i got from Bruce who reminded me of our
teenage girls here at home , they often don't want to see their best friend
anymore ( i don't speak to her anymore , she's stupid , i don't want to see her
anymore , she kissed the boy i like soooo much , bitch !)Date: Tue, 19 Jun
2012 05:02:33 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
To: [email protected]
Howdy Filip,
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From: filip de volder <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
hi, i'm new to this forum but i see there's some same topics as on the nsfge
site , regarding this blow up poster i asked Bruce 2 questions : who is the
foremost french dealer he mentioned that was unaware of the different blow up
releases (for such a collectable poster and information as for different
releases being wildly available to any professional seller who knows what he's
doing this is totally unacceptable so collectors should be warned that next to
an american based " professional " movie poster seller there's also one in
france buyers should be aware of )
and regarding the links he posted on nsfge for the heritage blow up sales i
asked where that he could tell from the pictures that one was and the other was
not original (both with year and palm) as on the pictures they are identical
unless when i checked them out i was momentarily bitten by stupidity ...
no surprises here : no answer
from Bruce ...
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:44:34 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
To: [email protected]
I remember when Bruce made a post asking if anyone could show him one of the
Haggard fakes so that he wouldn't be fooled by one if someone ever sent any
Universal Horror to him and Grey immediately stepped up and sent one to Bruce
right away, as that is the kind of guy he is (though I guess Bruce didn't show
it to any employees as they auctioned a fake Son of Frankenstein card while
Bruce was out of town not long after).
So I am sure Bruce must have extended the same sort of courtesy to Grey as he
did to Lieberman.
It's that kind of mutual respect and courtesy between dealers that makes our
hobby so
different from the rest.We don't have the back-biting and animosity that many
other collectibles seem to have.
-----Original Message-----
From: Franc [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 03:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
Message
I
guess after the seeminlgly endless flow of e-mail from Bruce, he was just too
busy to answer this one!
-----Original Message-----
From: MoPo List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zeev
Drach
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:36 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of
the French Blow-Up posters
I
don?t think we?ve received a response from Bruce to this question, have
we?
Zeev
From: MoPo List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean
Linkenback
Sent: June 15, 2012 5:23 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of
the French Blow-Up posters
Bruce,
did you contact Grey/Heritage before you made this public
posting so that they could "quickly correct it" the way you did with
Cinemasterpieces, or was your first inclination to post the information to
MoPo as quickly as possible?
-----Original
Message-----
From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent:
Friday, June 15, 2012 04:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject:
Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
Here is a
faster way to the seven items that were incorrectly listed:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/BLOW-UP/type/French%25201p/sort/4/archive.html
This
has all the 9 Blow-Up posters we auctioned
These were the two that were
correct:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2010215.html
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/7989641.html
Those
two have no year under them. The other seven are the ones we auctioned
incorrectly.
The release info on them has now been corrected. The
original prices are still there until we see what the buyers tell us they
want
to do.
If you want to use the above to create an email that you send to
your customers, telling them that we listed SEVEN posters incorrectly,
then that is fine with me.
On 6/15/12, Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> wrote:
> WHY do you want
to see the links? I CAN compile them, but it will take
> a while, and I
don't see the value. So explain to me why and then I
> will see if it is
worth my time to do so.
>
> And I don't see why you object to me
sending MY customers to your
> website.It is like in Miracle on 34th
Street where Macy's sent
> customers to Gimbel's!
>
>
Bruce
>
> On 6/15/12, Smith, Grey - 1367 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Yet we still did not get the
links?
>>
>>
>> From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, June
15, 2012 12:30 PM
>> To: Smith, Grey - 1367
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO]
The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
>>
>> We
mis-auctioned it SEVEN times, and you only did it three times, so
we
>> are
>> over twice as wrong and negligent as you were!
We clearly explained what
>> we
>>
did.
>>
>> Since you took time to post, will you answer what
your policy is in these
>> cases (will you offer refunds?) and will
you correct the listings in your
>> online
results?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 15,
2012 at 11:31 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>> Odd as we have no direct link to the auctions from
Emovieposter in which
>> they were incorrectly sold!
>>
Please advise?
>>
>> From: MoPo List
>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
>> On Behalf Of
Bruce Hershenson
>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:51 AM
>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: [MOPO]
The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters
>>
>> We
recently auctioned a French one-panel poster from Blow-Up, and we
said
>> it
>> was from the first 1967 release, and then
Thierry Brahme, co-owner (with
>> Holiday Russell) of All Poster
Forum posted thqt it was a re-release.
>> That
>> set us on
a journey researching that poster (and the ones from the other
>>
releases) and we came up with the following definitive answers
>>
(corroborated
>> by all the leading French poster experts and by the
fine research
>> available
>> on Ed Poole's LAMP
site):
>>
>> There are three releases, and they look very
similar (almost everything
>> is
>> the same, except the
R70s omits the 1967 from the top Cannes tagline)
>>
>> THIS
IS ORIGINAL:
>> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline
>>
"ATELIERS LALANDE 91-WISSOUS - TEL 920.98.75.76"
>>
>> THIS
IS R69:
>> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline
>> "LALANDE
COURBET 91-WISSOUS"
>>
>> THIS IS R70s:
>> NO
"1967" in the top Cannes tagline
>> "Ste EXPL Ets LALANDE COURBET
91-WISSOUS"
>>
>> You can see a visual comparison
here:
>> http://www.emovieposter.com/unused/blowup_research_reference_images.jpg
>>
>>
Now the above information showed we had just auctioned a R69 as an
>>
original,
>> so of course we then contacted that buyer and told them
what had happened
>> and cancelled the sale.
>>
>>
We next went over our ENTIRE history of every auctioning versions of
this
>> French poster, and discovered that we have only once had an
original, and
>> that there were 4 times where we incorrectly
identified a R69 as original
>> and three times where we incorrectly
identified a R70s as a R69 (because
>> we
>> were given
erroneous information some years ago that led us
astray).
>>
>> Fortunately, we keep accurate records of
every past sale, so we contacted
>> those 7 buyers and offered to
take back the seven posters for a full
>> refund
>>
(including shipping both ways so they lose nothing) or to make a
partial
>> refund if the price they paid was too high based on the
false info, EVEN
>> IF
>> YEARS HAVE GONE BY, and we long
ago paid the consignors.
>>
>> Once we have heard from all
the buyers we will likely lose many hundreds
>> of
>>
dollars, but it is well worth it, because it lets our buyers know
just
>> how
>> much we stand behind everything we
sell!
>>
>> We then took a quick look at the Internet to see
if we could find other
>> examples that were being sold incorrectly.
We found that Dave Lieberman
>> of
>> Cinemasterpieces had
one for sale that was a R69 but was incorrectly
>> identified as
original, and we contacted him, and he promptly corrected
>>
it.
>>
>> We went to Heritage's archive on their site, and
discovered that they
>> obviously had incorrect information (like we
did) but they had DIFFERENT
>> incorrect information than we did,
resulting in their selling three
>> different posters, one from each
release, and identifying them
>> incorrectly
>> every
time.
>>
>> This is the original that they sold as
R70s:
>> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072>
>>
>>
This is the R69 that they sold as 1966:
>> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245>
>>
>>
This is the R70s that they sold as R69:
>> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052>
>>
>>
Now hopefully they will go back and contact the two buyers to whom
they
>> sold
>> they posters they incorrectly identified
(there is no need to contact the
>> third one, the one who got an
original incorrectly marked as a
>> re-release,
>> because
that person got an incredible buy and is surely happy!). But they
>>
may or may not have a policy of doing this. If they are followers
of
>> "buyer
>> beware", which so many auctions are, then
those buyers are simply out of
>> luck.
>>
>> I
also don't know if they will go into their online archive and
correct
>> the
>> above mistakes, as we do. We always
correct any errors in our database,
>> and
>> remove all
sales where the buyer never paid or they returned the items,
>>
to
>> keep our database super accurate, but it takes a lot of time
and money to
>> do
>> so.
>>
>> IF ANYONE
READING THIS OWNS AN EXAMPLE OF A FRENCH BLOW-UP POSTER, THEN
>>
YOU
>> SHOULD TAKE IT OUT AND CHECK TO SEE WHICH RELEASE YOU HAVE. If
you were
>> incorrectly sold a re-release as either an original or as
the wrong
>> re-release, then contact the person or auction you
bought if from and ask
>> for a refund or a price
adjustment.
>>
>> Thanks much to Thierry Brahme, Ed Poole
and others who helped in this
>> research.
>> --
>>
Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com
team
>> P.O. Box 874
>> West Plains, MO 65775
>>
Phone: 417-256-9616<tel:417-256-9616>
(hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from
>> 12
>> to 1 when we
take lunch)
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>> our
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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