Morning Ian This is an allusion to the content of the lengthy and boring paper on TOPOS theory that I linked a little whils ago but only Ron could be arsed to read.
A big message I took from it all was that an observer influences the obsereved by setting the perameters of the observed set and thus informing the rules that operate. So you can get multiple different answers to what is ostensibly the same question, that all have logical value to them, dependent on the context in which you ask the question. In language that already makes perfect snese but it also seems to work quite nicely with big fancy quantum equations. Overall it allows you a framework within which you can constrcut and interrealte otherwise contradictory theories, encompasing both quantum theory and standard maths answers. This is grossly oversimplified and on re-reading gets nowhere near to what I'm trying to convey, but I'm telling you that paper is d-u-u-l-l. Anyway, MOQ is very similar in that everything is part of one all encompasing pattern, but where we define subset levels within that pattern, and observe distinct systems of value operating at each. Change the way the lines are drawn and you change the descriptives (I agree not rules) to which behaviours seem to conform in each set. Then realise (and believe) in an animist sense that particles do things because they "want to" and join the dots. To summarise, No! -"quality" only goes "up", thats what it does, or the circularity is defeated. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ian > glendinning > Sent: 24 July 2007 17:56 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Moq_Discuss] [MD] Aristotle & DQ > > > Run that past me again Jos, > > I recognise the circularity - motive to betterness pre-supposes what > is better - and that in reality there is a "lack of independence" - no > simple causal relationships, just "dependent arisings", but unpick > your last two sentences for me ... where you said ... > > [Jos] > > > > Where given "improvements" are considered to be made within > the defined > subset moral codes of each observer defined set, I have of course lost > all real sense of what it means to improve something, but have > sucessfully (albeit badly) defined betterness. ... 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