Platt you make a good point, but I'd have to pick you up on one word, since it is what we've been talking about elsewhere ...
It's not an "inability" to recognize values, but a "failure" to do so. No intrinsic inability why that historical failure can't be fixed by an evolution in that intellect to take values into account ... as proposed by such luminaries as Pirsig, Dennett, Maxwell, to name a few. The evolutionary leap has not so much fallen into an abyss, as not yet fully happened. But we digress from HZ's political point. Ian On 8/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hamza Zeytinoglu said: > > If anybody is interested, I would like to get your ideas on an attempt to > > re-define politics (in MOQ terms); "Politics is social activity with the > > goal to enable or to prevent the movement of static value from one group to > > another (creating change or maintaining no change)." > > > > dmb says: > > Hello HZ. Chapters 21 and 22 of Lila both focus pretty heavily on politics. > > Pirsig uses a bunch of historical examples to explain the political > > conflicts of the 20th century. He paints it as a clash between social level > > values and intellectual level values. The shift from traditional power > > structures to intellectually guided societies is some kind of evolutionary > > leap. Its not just a shift from the static to the dynamic, although that's > > certainly part of the equation too. Anyway, those chapters will elaborate on > > the idea with specific names, historical events and ideologies involved in > > the drama. Check it out. > > Platt says: > Pirsig, I hasten to add, pointed out that modern intellect, in its attempt to > guide society, contains a fatal flaw, namely, an inability to acknowledge the > existence of values. Thus, the "evolutionary leap" has fallen into an abyss. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
