Hi Jared, I wouldn't say "science can not" but I understand your point and agree it was Pirsig's too ... but it's really just the defintional one about what is or is not "science" at the fuzzy edge where physics meets metaphysics.
Ian On 8/15/07, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ian, > > thanks for your reply. > > to your point of 'poor science'. What I am getting at is that Pirsig > discusses things(quality) that science can not define. But he does so in > such a detailed way that science can not refute. My point is that if > SOMEONE were to analyze Pirsig's MOQ using only 'science' they would > conclude that there IS a greater circumference of understanding that science > lies within, and therefore science can not explain. Or as I put it, > sloppily maybe, 'understand'. > > Jared > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] (jmoq) the preMOQ, the promotion of the mythos,and the > shoulders Pirsig thankfully had to stand on > > > > First impression TE ... excellent. > > > > Method rather than physics - let's focus on the processes rather than > > abolsute foundations. Agreed > > > > Scientific method without understanding is a poor science ... an > > indication that science is missing something. Agreed > > > > Reading Emerson - for a fact ? Couldn't say, but no evidence that I'm > > aware of. Given the evidence of how he was "inspired" to MoQ, I'd say > > No. If he read Emerson later, he's kept it quiet. > > > > Ian > > > > On 8/15/07, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Joe, Ron, Ham and anyone else that took part in the "Metaphysics, > >> substance, intellect" string, > >> > >> I would like to put forth a new, more refined version of the same > >> contemplation I previously interjected. > >> > >> My intent is to spark a discussion about philosophy and method. > >> [(tangent) imagine instead of "MetaPhysics of quality", "Method of > >> Quality"] > >> > >> (i think) Pirsig, did somthing amazing. He qualified the "mysical" as a > >> higher (broader) order of thought than the scientific; many people have > >> proclamed this before; but Pirsig, in my opinion, succeeds at making an > >> argument within a logic structure that when contemplated using the > >> scientific method one could only agree with his conclusion, without > >> understanding it. > >> > >> I am fascinated by the fact that the proceeding was written or' one > >> hundred years ago. > >> > >> "Out of Plato come all things that are still written and debated among > >> men of thought. Great havoc makes he among our originalities. We have > >> reached the mountain from which all these drift boulders were detached. > >> The Bible of the learned for twenty-two hundred years, every brisk young > >> man who says in succession fine things to each reluctant generation,- > >> Boethius, Rabelais, Erasmus, Bruno, Locke, Rousseau, Alfieri, Coleridge,- > >> is some reader of Plato, translating into the vernacular, wittily, his > >> good things. Even the men of grander proportion suffer some deduction > >> from the misfortune (shall I say?) of coming after this exhausting > >> generalizer." > >> From "Plato; or, the Philosopher" Lecture > >> > >> does any one know for a fact that pirsig read and was influenced and > >> inspired to fullfill emersons work? > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
