No problem Jared,

I see what you mean.

I didn't actually use "just" in that context. I appreciate your point
that a problem with a fuzzy definitional boundary, is a problem with
assuming a boundary at all - ie we are not dealing with an ontological
world-view here, but a process / dynamic view. Trust me, I too am that
toddler - occupational hazard ;-)

As you and TSE (and Pirsig and more) say - it's about knowing
something undiscussable, except in poetry.

Ian

On 8/15/07, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think I may have come across a bit cocky. I should have mentioned that I
> went through the process described . And I want to retract my last sentance
> and say instead:
> "It was at that point that I started to appreiciate what I think Pirsig has
> begun to do".
>
> j
>
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