At 01:02 PM 8/16/2007, you wrote: >Hello everyone > > >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:08 -0400 > > > >At 07:58 PM 8/15/2007, Dan wrote: > > >Hello everyone > > > > > > >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:30:12 -0400 > > > > > > > >At 09:47 PM 8/14/2007, Dan wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>[Marsha] > > > > > >> I agree with Dan. I think of it as all being Quality, there is > >the > > > > > >> known (sq) and the unmanifest (DQ). The known, or static > >quality, is > > > > > >> relational and everchanging. The MOQ is a more elegant, higher > > > > > >> quality idea than SOM. > > > > > > > > > > > >[Ron] > > > > > >Exactly, staticly percieved physical reality is Relational,which > > > >implies > > > > > >value. > > > > > >the relational value of subjects to objects, I do not see how the > >term > > > > > >relation is comprehensable > > > > > >in any other form. I agree, MOQ places focus on the value > >relationship > > > > > >not the > > > > > >subjects and objects themselves. SQ is this distinction, while DQ > >is > > > >the > > > > > >incomprehensible > > > > > >infinite (energy?). While all is DQ, SQ represents the s/o value > > > > > >relation that is percieved. > > > > > > > > > >Dan: > > > > >I would say static quality represents value. Perception is Dynamic. > > > > > > > >Hi Dan, > > > > > > > >This is interesting. I think of direct perception as static/dynamic > > > >rather than pure dynamic. While it is true that direct perception is > > > >experience without being filtered through thoughts (social & > > > >intellectual patterns), such experience is still filtered through > > > >biological patterns (sight, taste, hearing, etc.). Isn't our system > > > >of sight a biological static pattern of value? > > > > > >Hi Marsha > > > > > >Good point. Of course we're linked to reality via our biological senses. > >And > > >of course the MOQ tells us that all our perceptions are colored by > >culture > > >as well. Yet when Robert Pirsig talks of direct perception I think he is > > >pointing to the cutting edge of experience... the split second prior to > > >intellectualization when all is fresh and new. The hot stove analogy > >comes > > >to mind. It's only common sense to attribute the leaping off to > >biological > > >instinct but I think what Mr. Pirsig is driving at lies deeper. 'It' is > > >masked by biological patterns to which we're accustomed. I think it's the > > >same with our system of sight. We are so accustomed to sight we forget > >what > > >a miracle it really is, how Dynamic. It is only later that we categorize > >and > > >intellectualize that Dynamic process into those static patterns of value > >to > > >which we're accustomed. > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > >Hi Dan, > > > >Yes, the cutting edge and out of our minds is probably as close as we > >can get to experiencing the Dynamic (Nothingness, Emptiness). That > >would be very dynamic, a mighty accomplishment, a purer experience, a > >miracle, or even madness, considering our attachment to thought. It > >would be closer to the Dynamic than anything we could imagine. But > >still, what does 'edge' imply? What are we if not static > >patterns? It once dawned on me that to that question there is no > >answer, never was an answer, never will be an answer. MU > > > >How foolish am I? > >Hi Marsha > >We experience Dynamic Quality all the time. We cover it up by >intellectualizing and categorizing in attempts to answer the unanswerable. >But it's here all the time. Right here! No need to go to the edge of >madness. Isn't that what the MOQ is telling us? > >Thank you for sharing your thoughts, > >Dan > >PS As foolish as me.
Dan, Yes, I agree with all you've said. It is right here, right now, all the time. Even that intellectualizing and categorizing is it. For the ease of my understanding, I call that Quality (Dynamic & static). Thank you. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
