Quoting MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi Platt, > > > > > > You brought up the subject, and it seems too general. And the > > > assumption seems to be that there was some goodness in those > > > Victorian principles. Maybe there was, do you have any > > > examples? Did RMP give any specific examples or detail? Is there > > > any evidence that killings, like those in New Jersey, didn't occur in > > > the Victorian period? Is there a specific question in the book > > > review you sited that represents your interest, or RMP's quote? > > > > > > Marsha
[Platt] > >I'm going by Pirsig's advice. Do you find it objectionable? As far as I > >recall, RMP didn't give any specific examples or detail. Should he have? [Marsha} > If there is no detail to Pirsig's advice, without a thorough > investigation, what is there to discuss? So Pirsig's advice is an > interesting comment, but one without any depth. Should he have > explained the comment? Not necessarily. You can't cover everything, > and he's given us plenty of detail in other areas. Now if you want > to buy us both a copy of that book ($85), I'll read it. [Platt] > >As for gang killings in the Victorian period, I'm sure there were some. > >My interest is in reducing criminal behavior as I'm sure yours is. [Marsha] > Certainly I would like to see criminal behavior reduced. I > "believe" education and jobs would be a good deterrent. Reading ZMM > could be mandatory reading in high school. [Platt] > >Pirsig suggests we might learn something from the Victorians towards > >that end. Is that a problem? > It's a problem without an explanation of what exactly he had in > mind. His comment is far too ambiguous. But you could develop it > into something specific if you choose. That's the point. And others reading this or Lila could develop it, too. Perhaps some already have. Pirsig suggests further that maybe the Victorians had something to offer when he wrote: "The Victorians didn't really believe in those old Puritan biological restraints the way the Puritans did. They were in the process of breaking away from them. But they paid them lip-service and the old 'spare the rod and spoil the child' school of biological repression was still in fashion. And what one notices, when one reads the works of the children of those traditions, how much more decent and socially mature they seemed than people do today." That's one thing I think could apply today -- more discipline in the public schools. I don't mean physical beatings. But humiliation wouldn't hurt. Perhaps SA has some thoughts about appropriate, effective punishment. Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
