Greetings SA, I've read your post a few times. I'm not understanding the point. I sense guilt, but at what? Do you think you must be fully embedded in society to have influence?
Marsha At 08:13 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: >Thank you Ian. I just finished reading Ouis' >conversation with Pirsig. > > Something of the article I would like to mention, >for there is much more specifically discussed in the >article upon different topics, but one topic that hit >home for me. If somebody is not finding good in what >they do, then the value of what they are doing is >disappearing and the relationship with the world >devalued. > For me, my gut reaction has been to run. To get >away from society. For the woods and I have had a >good relationship. My wife, son, and I have had a >good relationship. I stay on the MoQ.org, due to this >relationship has been good. The rest of society on a >person to person relationship has not been as good. >Therefore I find the quality on this social level to >be hampered and not very valuable. The intellectual >level has been shaky at times. I guess I've fallen >back on the biological level at times due to a weak >social level in my life. I try to reach for the >intellectual level for help, but it does not have all >the answers, thus, my fondness for dynamic quality. > The social level is really a mess. Pirsig >mentions in the article how we are to look for the >good and find the quality in events. He likes the >sunlight when he awakens. Cloudy days are gloomy. I >see that my not so good evaluation of the social level >in which I participate, and I'm not just talking about >work; and I feel like I'm messing up at times. I have >trust issues. I want to reach out to others at times, >and I feel like I know what I could say to help >encourage better relationships. I want people to >relax around me. I want people to feel they can open >up to me, and I want people to understand what I mean >by experiencing closer and closer to what's going on >with me - to make the effort to be in my shoes. I'm >trying so don't put me down, and think you know what's >going on, what's the solution, and what's wrong with >me, no don't think such 'things' unless your willing >to get into the routine and see for yourself. Yes, >some of this is coming from my job, but relationships >on the streets are very surface dependent, >materialistic, and not much time is present to >actually get together to not only discuss, but to >dance as a community without thinking our hang-out has >to be in the mall. I don't know. As Pirsig >mentioned, he forgot why he went into the psych ward, >and you know what, I'm forgetting, really I am, as I >write this, why I don't like society. I don't have >all the answers to this why of mine. I just have this >nagging dislike and no-value attitude/relationship >with the social level. > I remember writing a book collected from >journaling I did from age 16 to ca. 20. It had >something to do with this. I also wrote in one >journal entry that I rejected society, but in another >journal entry on another backpacking trip of mine I >realized that as much as I don't like society I can't >live without it. So, how do I make amends? Something >really must have torn me up for I'm still feeling the >shock of this discomfort to this day and I'm 31. >Sometimes I think it's going away, and then other >times, it's definitely not. So, how do I make amends? > I don't think anybody can really answer this >question, maybe not even me. > >woods, >SA > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with >Yahoo! FareChase. >http://farechase.yahoo.com/ >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
