[Marsha]
> I've read your post a few times.  I'm not
> understanding the point.  I 
> sense guilt, but at what?

     Guilt?... let me think... Yes, I see how guilt
might be concluded in this post.  But I don't think it
is guilt alone.  It is my devaluing of society, U.S.
society that troubles me.  I see good in the U.S.
society, but I've argued its' downfalls that are
rooted in historical precedents.  Why can't we live in
the woods and be left alone, for one?  Taxes are a
must.  If I want to connect with other people, well,
this society is not woods oriented.  Sure jobs are
sought and vacations are spent in the woods, but I
continually want to be left alone in the woods,
cooking, cleaning, gathering wood, sitting by a fire
chatting, walking, listening to streams flow, etc... 
It's another lifestyle.  I'm currently applying for a
job that works with children, as a day care center,
but it has activities that are outdoor oriented.  You
see, I understand that my devaluing of this society is
in its' social structure.  I have to find a job that
goes into the woods, in order to have more time in the
woods, and that continual motivation that flows nicely
between work and home.  I go to work now, and going
into the woods is such a contrast.  I swim upstream a
lot, I feel, in my life.  

     [Marsha]
> Do you think you must be
> fully embedded in 
> society to have influence?

    No, outside influences influence society, but
where do I go?  What can I do?  The social structure
of this society is changing.  The environment is a
vacation spot, but as Leopold said, which I find most
endeavors in this society to be oriented as, he said
focus on the economic needs of the woods is how so
many people miss the point of the woods.  It's this
mind-set that has people miss the point.  Yet, it's
the language of this society, it's social structure,
to speak in terms of conservation, or sell outdoor
products, or outdoor cafes', or outdoor recreation for
tourism, etc...  These are ways worming into the
social structure, but $ has to be made for these to
work.  People giving $ for conservation, but yet $ to
save them from themselves.  What I do at home is
totally different than what I can do at work, and work
is main force/path in this societies existence.  It's
our jobs that provide the social structure.  When was
the last time you went somewhere for anything, and it
didn't depend on an employee and employer providing
such a place for you to go and spend time at? 
Visiting somebody elses house and going to church are
social structures that don't depend on employees and
employers.  I looked into becoming a park ranger years
ago, and volunteered at a park for six months.  The
park rangers that worked at the park remembered when
they could go outside a lot, visit with the park
visitors and enjoy the outdoors while doing job
related activities.  They said what got them into the
field, the outdoors, was something they could not
enjoy much anymore.  Most of the time, 80% I'd say,
they had to remain inside the park administration
building doing paper and computer work.  That end of
the job over the last 15 years they said increased,
and that was back in 1990's when they said this to me.
 Anyways, I feel this U.S. society is in contrast with
how I would like to live.  I know all the hum-drum
about modern conveniences and such, which is all fine
and dandy, but time to stop and take a walk or smell
the roses is just NOT apart of the social structure of
the U.S.  It is not concerned with such child play.

woods,
SA


       
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