SA, I did incorrectly interpret your posts.
I had a cousin who felt the need to live outside of society and in the woods. He moved his family to Upper Michigan. His wife became a weaver. They lived in a house without electricity. He drove a school bus and sometimes did some logging. He was a runner, and kept himself very physically fit. He was killed a few years ago when a tree fell on him. He was 63. At his funeral, everyone one said he lived the life he loved and was happy 'til the end. Everyone said, "Lucky guy!" My husband worked 35 years for the same company. He played classical guitar and brought happiness to other people. He planned and saved to be able to retire at 57. (We were hoping to live and sail in Alicanti, Spain.) He died at 55. When he died he had 5 boats, 2 motorcycles and 12 guitars. Everyone said, "Poor guy." I don't pay much attention to the U.S. culture. I don't think it has much to offer. Marsha At 12:19 PM 9/5/2007, you wrote: > [Marsha] > > I've read your post a few times. I'm not > > understanding the point. I > > sense guilt, but at what? > > Guilt?... let me think... Yes, I see how guilt >might be concluded in this post. But I don't think it >is guilt alone. It is my devaluing of society, U.S. >society that troubles me. I see good in the U.S. >society, but I've argued its' downfalls that are >rooted in historical precedents. Why can't we live in >the woods and be left alone, for one? Taxes are a >must. If I want to connect with other people, well, >this society is not woods oriented. Sure jobs are >sought and vacations are spent in the woods, but I >continually want to be left alone in the woods, >cooking, cleaning, gathering wood, sitting by a fire >chatting, walking, listening to streams flow, etc... >It's another lifestyle. I'm currently applying for a >job that works with children, as a day care center, >but it has activities that are outdoor oriented. You >see, I understand that my devaluing of this society is >in its' social structure. I have to find a job that >goes into the woods, in order to have more time in the >woods, and that continual motivation that flows nicely >between work and home. I go to work now, and going >into the woods is such a contrast. I swim upstream a >lot, I feel, in my life. > > [Marsha] > > Do you think you must be > > fully embedded in > > society to have influence? > > No, outside influences influence society, but >where do I go? What can I do? The social structure >of this society is changing. The environment is a >vacation spot, but as Leopold said, which I find most >endeavors in this society to be oriented as, he said >focus on the economic needs of the woods is how so >many people miss the point of the woods. It's this >mind-set that has people miss the point. Yet, it's >the language of this society, it's social structure, >to speak in terms of conservation, or sell outdoor >products, or outdoor cafes', or outdoor recreation for >tourism, etc... These are ways worming into the >social structure, but $ has to be made for these to >work. People giving $ for conservation, but yet $ to >save them from themselves. What I do at home is >totally different than what I can do at work, and work >is main force/path in this societies existence. It's >our jobs that provide the social structure. When was >the last time you went somewhere for anything, and it >didn't depend on an employee and employer providing >such a place for you to go and spend time at? >Visiting somebody elses house and going to church are >social structures that don't depend on employees and >employers. I looked into becoming a park ranger years >ago, and volunteered at a park for six months. The >park rangers that worked at the park remembered when >they could go outside a lot, visit with the park >visitors and enjoy the outdoors while doing job >related activities. They said what got them into the >field, the outdoors, was something they could not >enjoy much anymore. Most of the time, 80% I'd say, >they had to remain inside the park administration >building doing paper and computer work. That end of >the job over the last 15 years they said increased, >and that was back in 1990's when they said this to me. > Anyways, I feel this U.S. society is in contrast with >how I would like to live. I know all the hum-drum >about modern conveniences and such, which is all fine >and dandy, but time to stop and take a walk or smell >the roses is just NOT apart of the social structure of >the U.S. It is not concerned with such child play. > >woods, >SA > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your >story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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