Platt,
What does 'independent' mean?
SA
> > [SA previously]
> > > > Arlo, this quote below defines what individual
> is,
> > > > thank you. A fictitious convenience as Pirsig
> > > notes
> > > > below. Sure I say individual, he, she,
> etc...,
> > > and it
> > > > is "...remembered that they're terms for
> > > collections
> > > > of patterns and not some independent primary
> > > reality
> > > > of their own." Platt, why the hang-up? What
> are
> > > you
> > > > trying to hold onto so tightly? Platt, this
> quote
> > > > defines individual, and then moves on to use
> > > > individual as a convenient fiction. I see
> static
> > > > patterns as fiction thus truth, thereby,
> avoiding
> > > the
> > > > hang-up of believing static patterns are The
> > > Truth,
> > > > don't forget about dynamic quality.
> >
> >
> > [Platt]
> > > I don't consider individuals such as yourself
> to be
> > > "fictitious conveniences."
> > > I value you as an "independent reality" whose
> > > individuality brings much
> > > high quality to my experience. I can imagine the
> > > look on the faces of your
> > > staff if you told them they were simply figments
> of
> > > your imagination. No. You
> > > and they are as real as life and love and beauty
> and
> > > death. And that's The
> > > Truth. :-)
> >
> > How can I be The Truth? There is you, too,
> as
> > well as mountains and rivers.
>
> I think you can be The Truth just as much as your
> assertion that "There is
> you, too, as well as mountains and rivers" is the
> Truth. There are many
> "The Truths." And that's "The Truth" :-)
>
> > As much as you like to say, "And Pirsig says
> this
> > so it must be the MoQ.", your veering from what
> Pirsig
> > says on this issue, which to completely Pirsig
> would
> > be mistake I'd admit.
>
> If this was such a big deal for Pirsig he would have
> devoted a chapter
> or two on it in Lila. But you're right. Pirsig would
> approve veering from
> what he says on an issue. He doesn't hold himself
> out to be a guru who
> has all the answers.
>
> > How can I be an "independent reality"? I
> > co-exist with you, too, as well as mountains and
> > rivers.
>
> If you "co-exist," there must be something else to
> exist with -- me, a
> mountain, a river, etc. A whole consist of parts.
> One is only known by
> the many. Both exist. Both are real. Like the song
> says, "You can't have
> one without the other."
>
> > Dq is sq. The mountains are really mountains
> and
> > the rivers are really rivers. I am really I, and
> > staff are really staff.
>
> You bet your life. :-).
>
> >Yet, this stage of
> > understanding commented upon by Dogen and Pirsig
> is a
> > pragmatic reality where we are part of web as
> Chief
> > Joseph of the Nez Perce mentioned.
>
> I think it's more pragmatic to act on the assumption
> that I better get out
> of the way of that independently real truck bearing
> down on independently
> real me. Don't you agree?
>
> Platt
>
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