Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Platt, > > What does 'independent' mean? > > > SA
SA, In this context -- different, distinct, particular, singular, unique, special. Platt > > > > [SA previously] > > > > > Arlo, this quote below defines what individual > > is, > > > > > thank you. A fictitious convenience as Pirsig > > > > notes > > > > > below. Sure I say individual, he, she, > > etc..., > > > > and it > > > > > is "...remembered that they're terms for > > > > collections > > > > > of patterns and not some independent primary > > > > reality > > > > > of their own." Platt, why the hang-up? What > > are > > > > you > > > > > trying to hold onto so tightly? Platt, this > > quote > > > > > defines individual, and then moves on to use > > > > > individual as a convenient fiction. I see > > static > > > > > patterns as fiction thus truth, thereby, > > avoiding > > > > the > > > > > hang-up of believing static patterns are The > > > > Truth, > > > > > don't forget about dynamic quality. > > > > > > > > > [Platt] > > > > I don't consider individuals such as yourself > > to be > > > > "fictitious conveniences." > > > > I value you as an "independent reality" whose > > > > individuality brings much > > > > high quality to my experience. I can imagine the > > > > look on the faces of your > > > > staff if you told them they were simply figments > > of > > > > your imagination. No. You > > > > and they are as real as life and love and beauty > > and > > > > death. And that's The > > > > Truth. :-) > > > > > > How can I be The Truth? There is you, too, > > as > > > well as mountains and rivers. > > > > I think you can be The Truth just as much as your > > assertion that "There is > > you, too, as well as mountains and rivers" is the > > Truth. There are many > > "The Truths." And that's "The Truth" :-) > > > > > As much as you like to say, "And Pirsig says > > this > > > so it must be the MoQ.", your veering from what > > Pirsig > > > says on this issue, which to completely Pirsig > > would > > > be mistake I'd admit. > > > > If this was such a big deal for Pirsig he would have > > devoted a chapter > > or two on it in Lila. But you're right. Pirsig would > > approve veering from > > what he says on an issue. He doesn't hold himself > > out to be a guru who > > has all the answers. > > > > > How can I be an "independent reality"? I > > > co-exist with you, too, as well as mountains and > > > rivers. > > > > If you "co-exist," there must be something else to > > exist with -- me, a > > mountain, a river, etc. A whole consist of parts. > > One is only known by > > the many. Both exist. Both are real. Like the song > > says, "You can't have > > one without the other." > > > > > Dq is sq. The mountains are really mountains > > and > > > the rivers are really rivers. I am really I, and > > > staff are really staff. > > > > You bet your life. :-). > > > > >Yet, this stage of > > > understanding commented upon by Dogen and Pirsig > > is a > > > pragmatic reality where we are part of web as > > Chief > > > Joseph of the Nez Perce mentioned. > > > > I think it's more pragmatic to act on the assumption > > that I better get out > > of the way of that independently real truck bearing > > down on independently > > real me. Don't you agree? > > > > Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
