> > > > [SA asked]
> > > > > > What Buddhists call it an illusion?
> > > >
> > > > [Platt had answered]
> > > > > According to Pirsig, Zen Buddhists.
> > > >
> > [SA previously]
> > > > Where does Pirsig say Zen Buddhists are
> > > > illusions?
> >
> > [Platt]
> > > He doesn't say Zen Buddhists are illusions. He
> says
> > > to Zen Buddhists the idea of
> > > an individual self is an illusion.
> >
> >
> > Sorry Platt, but I hope you really looked
> into
> > this before you just shouted out something with no
> > mindfulness, again, like all the previous posts
> where
> > you admit that what you were talking about was
> really
> > empty. But then again, maybe your realizing how
> empty
> > this discussion really is. A discussion that
> tries to
> > define reality as either real or illusion, logical
> or
> > sensible. Why are you part of trying to explain
> > reality as having to be one or the other? It is
> an
> > empty topic, but you keep shouting out these
> answers.
> > So, here again, where does Pirsig say "to Zen
> > Buddhists the idea of an individual self is an
> > illusion."
[Platt]
> Check Lila's Child.
Again, this "check Lila's Child". Does illusion
have to mean the opposite of real? Isn't this how I
agreed with Arlo and Marsha, way back, that the
context is driving what illusion and real is, but an
illusion to somebody is real to them, and who decides
what is illusion or real? Hasn't that changed over
time? As Krimel points out, and Dan did, too, the
perception aspect of this real and illusion topic. I
find it mu. This all started way back when static
perception and dynamic perception were trying to be
defined, by Ant, with his bringing up of Paul's and
Scott's discussion and tetralemma. I think instead of
using the illusion and real competition, a pragmatic
value and philosophic value discussion might be more
informative.
SA
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