Hi Platt Glad you think so. I think when the eastern thinkers say it is all illusion they are pointing out that everything is subject to change and comes and goes. It is all DQ says the East, it is all SQ says the West, and showed what can be done (& controlled) when you focus on the SQ, MOQ says it is both.
DM ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > Quoting David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi Ant/Platt >> >> Pretty much agree with Ant. >> We should not ask if something is real or an illusion. >> Rather we should ask what sort of real is it? >> >> Before there was life on earth a glass of water was a real future >> possibility. >> A glass of water in my mind is a real memory. >> A glass of water in the mind of the woman who invented the drinking glass >> is >> a real good original idea yet to be actualised. >> An empty glass near a tap is a real potential glass of water. >> A glass of water that can be drunk or spilt or thrown has a number of >> real >> practical uses. >> A glass of water in another room is real but is beyond my current >> experience. >> The illusion of a glass of water for a thirsty woman is a real illusion >> of a >> glass of water, desirable, but not drinkable for it is a real illusion >> >> The word illusion largely means something you can see but can't touch. >> Is Mr Bush on my TV the real Mr Bush or an illusion of him? >> Can my TV create Mr Bush's image in my lounge? >> Is information unreal because you cannot touch it? >> Don't think so when the very word 'artificial' tells us that ideas have >> very >> real powers. >> >> David M > > Hi David, > > I think maybe you're on to something. Rather than call the self an > illusion > as Buddhists do, ask what sort of real is it? For me it is real as a > subject, real > as an object, and real as a pattern of values depending on my perspective. > > Platt > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
