Hi Folks Another really great book on values is Charles Taylor's Sources of the Self.
DM > [Ham] >> When was the last time you heard someone outside of > government >> or the MoQ talk about value? We're fooling > ourselves if we think that > people know what value > is, reflect on it, or even view it as important. > > Most people are concerned about issues, not values, > and where do >> they get their advice? From rock singers and movie > stars. > > > Ham, I agree. I don't even hear the word - value > - outside of the moq or politics and in the latter it > is usually referred to as 'family values'. I can't > think of any other context in politics it is used. > Does anybody else hear the word - value? > Also, it took me over a year on this discuss > forum to understand a basic notion of what value is. > I'm not saying due to this forum. For I read the word > here numerous times. It just didn't click as to what > value really meant. Especially in a moq context with > dq, this undefinable source, and sq, with the levels > and such. And then how quality is the same as value > and moral. I'm still not completely sure on the > quality - moral connection. I've got value > pinned-down to it can be thought of as a gateway of > like(s) and dislike(s). I find our decision to value > something based on our already existing static > patterns, and how much we are open to change or > 'something' new. Value is grounded in the static > patterns of intellect, society, organic, and > inorganic. Yet, to like and dislike something, taken > on face 'value', can easily be thought of as whims and > superficiality notions. I like this today, but > tomorrow now I like that, for example. Desires, > consumerism, sex, and instant gratifications that can > occur in this culture dip into this notion of likes > and dislikes where it sounds more like pleasure than > value. Yet, here is where the notion of value is even > more grounded and seen similar, or as the moq puts it, > the same as morals. Likes and dislikes in this > culture seem more conducive to pleasure in this > culture, but I'm sure, Ham, that's not what your > talking about, and that's not what the moq is talking > about either. These likes and dislikes are more moral > than that. > Do you see what I mean? How do we or how do we > get the message of value across without getting it > wrapped up in what this culture usually perceives > likes and dislikes to be? I like my chocolate today, > but tomorrow I'll like potato chips. Value usage, > value in action has become a value without morals. > > > thoughts? > > woods, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest > shows on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
