Hi David, In the course of your responses to DMB in the DMB / Matt conversation you wrote these paragraphs ...
> > DM .... I am glad that [James & Dewey] still keep faith with science but too > uncritically though. The Eurpoeans are more critical but they do go to far > and get silly. > > DM: Interestingly, it seems to methat some of the reasons Pirsig gets to the > MOQ is because he sees precisely how science and 'quantity' > have done something to diminish experience and hide its qualities from us. > We need a more MOQ compatible science, Dewey helps, > but we need to go further. The philsopher of science Nick Maxwell raises the > issue of the value-blindness of Enlightenment based science > in his work. A similar theme to Pirsig. Maxwell likes Pirsig too. Science > need to be more pragmatic and clearabout what values it > is trying to realise when it researches,rejecting knowledge for knowledges > sake. Of course, the Enlightment claimed to be objective and > that it did not need values as part of it power struggle with religion. But > the next dialectical twist is it to add these qualities back to > its conceptual framework having won its separation from religion. > > DM: Agree absolutely (ironic use of word) science is clearly very useful but > also dangerous. I think in the past it has been very SOM based, > or even only SQ based. As it develops it seems to be opening to something > more like the MOQ as it finds DQ at workin nature, i.e. > that there is more to reality than laws and patterns, there is the flux, the > emerging, the dis-emerging, the levels, on-going DQ creation. > I say, this a great summary of the dynamic "enlightenment" process of a "scientific" approach to philosophy and a more philosophical approach to science. I probably seem like one of the "silly Europeans" that goes too far against (GOF) science sometimes, but I'd subscribe to your words. Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
