First off, I'm not going to try to make sense of
this, and I'm stating this before I even read how Ham
commented upon what I said. What would be the point
of making sense of this? I mean Ham's got it all
together, and knows best. I've got it all together,
and I know what's best. So, let the comedy begin!
[SA previously]
> > What smiley face does this transcendent reality
> > have beyond finite world? If philosophy can't
> answer this question, then "it is not a philosophy,
let
> alone a metaphysical hypothesis." This is seriously
how
> you sound Ham.
[Ham]
> By putting "smiley face" in your paraphrase of my
> question, you make my
> point better than I do. What it tells me is that
> you not only have no
> conception of a transcendent reality, you see no
> meaning or value in the
> idea. This is a striking example of the kind of
> nihilism I was explaining
> to Marsha.
OOOh! Yeap Yeap.
[Ham]
> You are one of many here, probably the majority, who
> have been persuaded
> that relational existence is the only reality, and
> that philosophy must
> concern itself with causal and moral explanations of
> experience.
Well, I never!
[Ham]
> The consensus is that anything else is poetry,
mystical
> koans, or linguistic
> reflections on Nature. Metaphysics was an ancient
> approach to objective
> knowledge that has since been replaced by scientific
> objectivism and is now
> a waste of time. All philosophy must conform to the
> world as we experience
> it. We can euphemistically think of it as Quality,
> Consciousness, or
> Goodness, but "deep down" we know it is substantive,
> concrete, and
> fundamental to our being. Man is a biogenetic
> product of a material world
> which will be always here, while we come and go as
> fleeting patterns of
> intellect and organic complexity.
> Do you see the nihilism here, SA?
Uh? This makes no sense. Is it the red leaves
or the yellow leaves that spoils your view? I didn't
quite get that.
[Ham]
> Transcendence, cosmic purpose, and the
> metaphysical meaning of life have all been
> sacrificed for a belief system
> that is nurtured by philosophical platitudes which
> supplant our spiritual
> yearnings and make us feel good in our ignorance.
And the knife rises from his side. The sacrifice
lies in wait. The hand raises. No! Don't do it!
Don't do it! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
HMMMM! That's some good apple pie my wife made.
She's lovely.
[Ham]
> Like medicine's panaceas,
> they are the sugar-coated pills that tranquilize our
> symptoms without curing
> the disease.
Is that maple sugar? I like maple sugar.
[Ham]
> But if Qualityism works as a panacea, why all the
> debate in this forum?
Should I where the blue shirt or the red shirt
today, maybe the gray shirt?
[Ham]
> Why do we argue incessantly about what is real,
true,
> and valuable, and how to
> parse the MoQ levels to make it so?
Well, those that have read Pirsig's books might
find the moq language a bit helpful since these are
terms/experiences or what have you that the moq
declares. But we could talk poetry if you'd like?
[Ham]
> Why do we make up poems that express
> our pain, anguish, and love of beauty if these
> emotions are what we really feel?
I hear the rain. Do you hear any rain?
[Ham]
> Could it be that we were too hasty in
> rejecting a Creator, spiritual
> insight, and a transcendent reality because such
> ideas are considered
> intellectually stultifying and old-fashioned?
Who's rejecting a Creator? Are you Spiritual
Adirondack? Are you SA? Hmmmm, maybe it's that
cougar.
[Ham]
> Is it more meaningful to
> "play it cool" and humor the crowd than to give
> serious consideration to a
> metaphysical reality founded on an uncreated source?
I find the Creator to be more dynamic than this
consideration of yours.
[SA previously]
> > And this absolute truth is called essence. Hmmm,
> > who came up with essence. Unless essence spoke to
> you one night Ham. It's comedic and serious at the
> same time. Your tickling me Ham. It could be true.
[Ham]
> Yes, it could be true.
Hmmm, could? Na, you didn't. Wow, that rain's
really coming down tonight.
[Ham]
> And if you'd wean yourself
> off those panaceas for
> awhile and consider this concept, it would do more
> than "tickle" you with
> comedy; it would intrigue you with wisdom. It might
> even get you out of the
> woods long enough to move you in the direction of
> spiritual satisfaction.
"spiritual satisfaction" according to Ham's
dictate of what life is, and what philosophy is,
and... oh, did you pick a color yet.
moving right along,
SA
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